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It's time to replace faulty punch card machines. Or I can't read it well enough to vote democratic.
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | Oct. 21, 2003 | Tova Andrea Wang

Posted on 10/21/2003 3:42:00 PM PDT by Missouri

Despite the widespread belief that the California recall election went off without a hitch, researchers examining the votes after the fact found that 384,000 ballots had no vote recorded on the question of whether Gov. Gray Davis should be recalled.

A majority of those "missing" votes came from counties using the notorious punch card ballot machines - the same faulty machines that 65 percent of Missourians continue to use. Is Missouri setting itself up to be next in line in the ongoing saga of Election Day controversy and messy litigation?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois; US: Missouri
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It's time to replace faulty punch card machines By Tova Andrea Wang 10/21/2003

Despite the widespread belief that the California recall election went off without a hitch, researchers examining the votes after the fact found that 384,000 ballots had no vote recorded on the question of whether Gov. Gray Davis should be recalled.

A majority of those "missing" votes came from counties using the notorious punch card ballot machines - the same faulty machines that 65 percent of Missourians continue to use. Is Missouri setting itself up to be next in line in the ongoing saga of Election Day controversy and messy litigation?

In Los Angeles County where punch cards are still used, about 175,000 ballots - that's 9 percent of county's vote total - recorded no vote on the recall question. In Alameda County, which uses electronic machines, only 0.7 percent of votes cast did not have their vote on the recall recorded. While surely some voters intentionally decided not to vote on the issue, the variation was, in the judgment of researchers, mostly due to the disparity in the machines.

The American Civil Liberties Union sued California before the election, warning of this very problem. It ultimately lost the case, decided not to appeal to the Supreme Court. As a result, there is still no definitive answer to whether using inferior machines in some parts of a state but not others violates the Constitution. If the recall election had been at all close, there is no doubt several lawsuits would have been mounted on the constitutional grounds of equal protection.

In 2000, Missouri was the site of tremendous controversy and litigation over voting in the presidential election, rivaled perhaps only by Florida. Three years later, 37 of Missouri's counties still use punch card ballot machines, while 70 counties use optical scan machines, which have performed far better than punch card machines in accurately recording votes. The state's official plan for election reform indicates that it does not intend to ever require local election authorities to participate in the federally funded program to replace punch card machines.

Since Missouri votes so early - its presidential primary is Feb. 3, right after New Hampshire's - it is likely that all or most of the nine candidates presently running for the Democratic nomination will still be in the race. Doesn't that increase the possibility that the margin of victory may be very slim? In the 2000 general election, fewer than 79,000 out of almost two and a half million votes cast in Missouri separated George Bush and Al Gore. If the margin is similarly close in the 2004 general election, a losing candidate may well be inclined to sue.

Although the Help America Vote Act provides funding for the replacement of punch card ballot and lever voting machines, many jurisdictions in many states still will be using the older mechanisms in 2004. Some states simply are invoking the law's waiver provision to wait until 2006 to complete the replacement process. Other states are mired in debates over what type of machines to buy, mostly differing on whether computerized systems are secure.

According to the Election Reform Information Project, only 12 of 27 states that have punch card ballot machines have committed to replacing them - ever. A succession of elections and numerous studies have now shown that punch card machines are inaccurate and their use discriminatory. Missouri must pledge to rid the state of them as soon as possible.

But Missourians ought to go beyond that and follow the example of the state of Georgia. Unlike Florida, when Georgia purchased new electronic voting machines in 2002, it did so uniformly across the state, with every county obtaining the same voting equipment.

Because every Georgia voter would be using the same new machine in the 2002 mid-term elections, the state was able to conduct a uniform statewide education campaign through the media, without worrying that a voter from any given county might receive misinformation applicable only to another county's voting technology.

The state also mailed to every registered voter a color brochure with instructions about how to use the new machines. The state only had to develop one poll worker training program, and these workers could be trained in a uniform fashion all across the state.

The election was, according to Georgians, a great success. In the 2000 election in Georgia, the number of ballots recorded as having no vote was 3.6 percent. For the 2002 U.S. Senate race, the figure was a historically low 0.86 percent.

California is often referred to as the nation's trend-setter. When it comes to the 2004 elections, Missouri should follow Georgia's lead instead.

Tova Wang is a senior program officer and democracy fellow at The Century Foundation, New York.

1 posted on 10/21/2003 3:42:00 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Agitate; StarCMC; TheEngineer; Jesse from Missouri; FairWitness; deadmenvote; El Conservador; ...
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2 posted on 10/21/2003 3:43:11 PM PDT by Missouri (Gephardt has never held state wide office in Mo.)
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To: Missouri
In 2000, Missouri was the site of tremendous controversy and litigation over voting in the presidential election, rivaled perhaps only by Florida.

This statement is very dishonest. Punch cards were not the controversy, it was DEMOCRATIC VOTER FRAUD !!!

3 posted on 10/21/2003 3:45:37 PM PDT by Missouri (Gephardt has never held state wide office in Mo.)
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To: Missouri
What a total lie being told by liars. A "research group"? Yeah, right.

And isn't it funny that they seemed to have "found" 384,000 votes? Isn't this the EXACT number they used BEFORE the recall election in court? It's awfully close.

Boy, left wing, liberal DimbulboRats really need to see a psychiatrist.
4 posted on 10/21/2003 3:52:19 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm a conservative...not a Republican.)
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To: Missouri; Eastbound
Yeah, let's replace physical punch cards with hackable and unrecountable "touch screens."

Great idea! Let's get the urban vote up to 120% 'rat!


5 posted on 10/21/2003 3:54:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Fledermaus
384,000 ballots had no vote recorded

Those are probably the ballots the rats forgot to mark before they stuffed them in the ballot box.

6 posted on 10/21/2003 3:57:01 PM PDT by Missouri (Gephardt has never held state wide office in Mo.)
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To: Travis McGee
physical punch cards

I like the punch cards. Every election I've ever voted in was a punch card ( going back to 1976 ).

No problems. No complaints.

7 posted on 10/21/2003 3:59:28 PM PDT by Missouri (Gephardt has never held state wide office in Mo.)
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To: Missouri
I used an optical ballot with a #2 pencil. As far as I can tell, the ballot was laid out similarly in that there was a small box in the upper left corner for THE QUESTION, and then the rest of the ballot was the list of 135 candidates followed by the two ballot initiatives.

It was easy to miss the box with THE QUESTION. I think that many of the people were so eager to vote for their candidate that they just plain forgot to vote on THE QUESTION. I don't think they can pin this one on the punch card ballot.

-PJ

8 posted on 10/21/2003 4:03:31 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Missouri
Same here.
9 posted on 10/21/2003 4:05:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Missouri
Maybe they should hire the Democrat in Florida to manage the voting process. She still hasn't purged her rolls after two years and extra money. Now people are reporting of receiving two to four additional mail in ballots.

But then if a person has little formal education they need Democrats to help them in voting.
10 posted on 10/21/2003 4:09:32 PM PDT by spookie
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To: Missouri
"A majority of those "missing" votes came from counties using the notorious punch card ballot machines ... "

Every psy-op maneuver was included in that phrase ...

9 ballots of the residents of (fill in the blank), population 16 .. were found to have not been filled in for the question. Consequently the majority of (aforementioned community) combined with a simular percentage of another podunk community made up A majority of the entire state vote.

The votes are not "missing" but ignored or refused.

The issue of punch cards is worthy of note, so they become "notorious".

The rest of the article was built on all of these 'points'.

11 posted on 10/21/2003 4:13:13 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Missouri
New twist on Je$$e's voter disenfranchizement spiel. Box of salt alert.
12 posted on 10/21/2003 4:22:03 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Missouri
Florida has found that touch screen machines produce as many under votes as do punch card machines. Touch screen machines prevent over votes!
13 posted on 10/21/2003 4:22:30 PM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: Missouri
In Los Angeles County where punch cards are still used, about 175,000 ballots - that's 9 percent of county's vote total - recorded no vote on the recall question. In Alameda County, which uses electronic machines, only 0.7 percent of votes cast did not have their vote on the recall recorded.

There is, of course, only one possible conclusion: people in L.A. are dumber than people in Oakland. That's why the Raiders moved back.

Seriously, my precinct used paper ballots (with a pen to mark the choice), so I can't say that I know how the computerized ballots work. But I'll bet the screen showed only one decision per page, allowing you to focus on each task at hand, and insuring you at least consider each one. On the other hand, a paper ballot has many decisions on a single page (or in this case, two) so it would be easy to miss the first one. It doesn't change the fact that it was the voter's own damn fault for not voting properly.

14 posted on 10/21/2003 4:39:38 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Missouri
where punch cards are still used, about 175,000 ballots - that's 9 percent of county's vote total - recorded no vote on the recall question.

and how many freepers were putting notes up that they forgot to punch recall and went straight for voting for Arnold???? many of those could have been yes, and many no. it is fair!

15 posted on 10/21/2003 5:35:01 PM PDT by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: The UnVeiled Lady
How many of the total ballots said "yes" on the recall? How many of those cards that are blank on The Question WOULD have been "YES" on the recall? The point is moot anyway. THIS election did NOT hinge hanging chads.
16 posted on 10/21/2003 5:47:04 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions = Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Travis McGee
The debate over touch screens is truly bipartisan and interesting to watch.

Because the potential to be hacked is so uncontrollable, dems are very leery of the possibility that the demon republicans will be doing the hacking.

Both parties are putting the brakes on more widespread usage of this way of 'recording' a vote.
17 posted on 10/21/2003 5:59:40 PM PDT by maica (Rush is in my prayers)
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To: cake_crumb
New twist on Je$$e's voter disenfranchizement spiel.

I seen Jesse Jackson on Hannity and Colms the night before the re-call. He sounds like a broken record. He was involved in the St Louis voter fraud of 2000.

18 posted on 10/21/2003 6:37:07 PM PDT by Missouri (Gephardt has never held state wide office in Mo.)
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To: mcg1969
But I'll bet the screen showed only one decision per page, allowing you to focus on each task at hand, and insuring you at least consider each one.

I would doubt that. My district went to computer voting last election, and the screens were pretty close to the multiple choice pages we had before. I imagine that the districts have the same options to design these screens as they did to design ballots before.
One thing I don't know is whether the review screen shows only the choices you made, or whether it also shows contests where you failed to make a selection.

I don't think the computerized voting machines are any better than the punched cards. They might even be worse.

19 posted on 10/21/2003 6:51:50 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Travis McGee
"Great idea! Let's get the urban vote up to 120% 'rat!"

I think there was a county in Florida that did that even with the chads. Chicago must have had some votes left over and shipped them down at the last minute. Hey, what are friends for?

20 posted on 10/21/2003 7:21:31 PM PDT by Eastbound
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