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Jeb's email to summer re: Terri and Governor's Power on Executive Orders
summer | Oct 18, 2003 | Emails from FL Gov Bush and summer

Posted on 10/18/2003 1:17:55 PM PDT by summer

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeb Bush
To: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: ...one question for you...


Unfortunately, I cannot issue an executive order when there is a court order upheld at every level in the judiciary. Mr. Shiavo is the legal guardian and I can't override that fact. I wish I could but I have no legal authority to do so.

Jeb


-----Original Message-----
From: [summer]
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:02 AM
To: Jeb Bush
Subject: ...question for you...

Can you use your authority to issue an Executive Order, to place her [Terri] in a different hospice that has no connection to her husband, as a temporary stop measure to [get] this woman back on feeding so that you have the time necessary to review whatever other options may exist for you, as this current situation with her removed from the tubes will result in an irrevocable situation?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: deathcultivation; fl; jebbush; terri; terrischiavo
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To: spunkets
Would you do this to your dog?
81 posted on 10/18/2003 3:29:17 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: spunkets
I do believe that Michael's "recovered memory" within weeks of being awarded $1.2 million for the rehabilitation of his wife that, oopsie, he forgot she didn't want to be rehabilitated, is prima facie evidence of abuse.
82 posted on 10/18/2003 3:32:46 PM PDT by lonevoice
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To: spunkets
Would you do this to your dog?
83 posted on 10/18/2003 3:33:58 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: spunkets
>>There is no evidence Terri was mistreated by her husband.<<

Read the nurses' affidavits above and tell me that he wasn't mistreating her while she was hospitalized. Leads one to deduce his behavior never changed.
84 posted on 10/18/2003 3:34:13 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: spunkets
*crickets chirping*
85 posted on 10/18/2003 3:35:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
"If you starved your dog, and didn't give it any water til it died, you'd go to jail, you heartless creature."

I don't have a dog. I feed the cats and all the woodland potlickers though. They seem to all be able to gobble it all up on their own. They wander around naturally and are free to do what they wish. I haven't had to construct a machine and place it where they forever lay, to tube it into their GI tract on some schedule though.

86 posted on 10/18/2003 3:36:47 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Coward.
87 posted on 10/18/2003 3:37:56 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: spunkets
Paging Chris Reeves...
88 posted on 10/18/2003 3:40:05 PM PDT by lonevoice
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To: spunkets
If you had a dog, would you do this to them?
89 posted on 10/18/2003 3:40:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
"Coward."

Whatever.

90 posted on 10/18/2003 3:44:25 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: All
It's too bad that the "pro choice" DUsruptors on these threads don't have the guts to try to post FULL ARTICLES of their pro death nonsense rather than just comments. Then the "Viking Kitties" can have a real ZOT party!!!
91 posted on 10/18/2003 3:46:58 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Why do we allow a purjuring, software pirate traitor to continue to run our computers?)
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To: Humidston
I just read them also and I am so mortified, I can't even post my reaction since it would be pulled for content.

This case is so heart-breaking. There is no hell hot enough for that POS "husband" of hers.
92 posted on 10/18/2003 3:49:41 PM PDT by diotima
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To: diotima
Amen. After reading the nurses' input, I hope that #@& is visited by seven kinds of hell for eternity!!!!
93 posted on 10/18/2003 3:50:57 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: spunkets
Oh, you have become the lightning rod for people who are frustrated and angry with the current turn of events.

Have they called you evil or a troll or a murderer yet?

And you thought that rational debate was possible on this subject?

Even the Pope has been called names, not to mention the governor, the 20 judges who have reviewed this case, the many doctors and experts who have testified in court.

This issue is so volatile that Bishop Lynch issued this statement:

Excessive rhetoric like the use of “murder” or the designation of the trial judge or appellate judges as “murderers” not be used by anyone from our Judeo-Christian tradition. This is a much harder case than those who use facile language might know.

94 posted on 10/18/2003 3:54:26 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: spunkets
Whatever.

Such depth! Such clarity of thinking! Such courage!...

/sarcastic contempt

95 posted on 10/18/2003 3:55:55 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Dasaji
BTW, Terri is not being killed. She has had life support withdrawn to allow her to die a natural death.

Yup - just like withholding food from an infant is "a natural death."

Correct.

Just like pushing someone out the windos isn't "killing" them, but merely allowing them to die a natural death. Gravity is a force of nature, we're all subject to it. You can't connect "death by gravity" with the "caring act" of tossing someone out the window, right?

96 posted on 10/18/2003 3:56:25 PM PDT by Don Joe
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To: george wythe
Excessive rhetoric like the use of “murder” or the designation of the trial judge or appellate judges as “murderers” not be used by anyone from our Judeo-Christian tradition. This is a much harder case than those who use facile language might know.

I think they're murderers, and that anyone who empowers them is complicit.

97 posted on 10/18/2003 3:57:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: george wythe
I think the Bishop is a coward, too.
98 posted on 10/18/2003 3:58:39 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
"If you had a dog, would you do this to them?

If the dog suddenly became brain dead I would shoot it and bury it. The topic is humans here and the question is whether they have the right to refuse artificial life support. The fact is that they do and the FL legislature and courts agree, so does the fed gov. If the artificial life support means a feeding tube, then the withdrawl of that machine will result in dehydration and starvation. If the machine hapens to be a ventilator death will be from aphixiation. ect.

The court docs were given above. They had clear and convincing evidence that Terri would not want this artificial life support. THe US and FL acknowledge that even the incompetent have the right to self determination. The default if the patients will is not expressed, or their is doubt, is to provide the support. I don't want it and have so expressed it. Would you support a law that says I must accept the treatments and probes of any and all med wizards?

Terri's parents are acting as a second party attempting to force feed her with a machine. They have provided no evidence to raise doubt that Terri wants this stopped. Do you have any? Jeb would like to see it.

99 posted on 10/18/2003 4:01:33 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Graymatter; Theodore R.
"If Jeb thinks he can't do anything as governor, he should be busy getting the legislature going on this."

He may have higher priorities. This traffic came over terri's mailing list a little while ago:

To: helpterri@yahoogroups.com
From: [redacted]
X-Originating-IP: 207.107.115.240
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:27:07 -0000
Subject: [helpterri] GOOD CATCH DOC BUT THIS IS EVEN SICKER

BUSH'S DON'T WANT NAT'L MEDIA COVERING TERRI SCHIAVO DEATH WATCH!!!

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A VERY "HIGH UP" NATIONAL MEDIA EXECUTIVE STATED QT ON THE TELEPHONE 30 MINUTES AGO THAT AIDS FOR THE "BUSH BOYS", FROM BOTH THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE FLORIDA GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, HAD BEEN CONTACTING THE VARIOUS NATIONAL MEDIA OUTLETS THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS TO "LOW KEY" THE COVERAGE OF THE CURRENT TERRI SCHIAVO CRISIS AND DEATH WATCH. AIDS BASICALLY STATED THAT THE "BUSH BOYS" DON'T WANT TO FAN ANOTHER POTENTIAL POLITICAL FIRESTORM IN FLORIDA OVER THIS ISSUE! THE EXEC SAID ONE IDENTIFIED POLITICAL AID MADE AN EXTREMELY INFLAMMATORY STATEMENT ON THIS SITUATION TO A CBS EXEC!!

NOW YOU KNOW WHY MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE U.S. DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS GROSS AND TOTALLY INHUMANE MISCARRIAGE OF JUDICIAL PROCESS.

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And, this, which the above was in response to:

To: helpterri@yahoogroups.com
From: [redacted]
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:35:44 -0000
Subject: [helpterri] SCREW TERRI - Jeb Bush Too Busy Stumping for George W!!!

THIS WILL MAKE YOU SICK, BUT IT IS REALITY........

NOW YOU KNOW WHY WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM JEB. HE'S TOO BUSY FRIDAY AND TODAY STUMPING FOR HIS BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!

 

AP-OnLine:

This article on Terri came across the AP wire at 2:14 p.m. EDT

10/18 02:14 pm Brother: Family Has 'glimmer of Hope' After Feeding Ends

FOUR MINUTES LATER THIS ARTICLE CAME ACROSS THE WIRE ON JEB BUSH

10/18 02:18 pm EDT Governor Wants Florida GOP Focusing on Brother, Not 2006

Governor Wants Florida GOP Focusing on Brother, Not 2006
The Associated Press AP-ES-10-18-03 1419EDT
Published: Oct 18, 2003

MIAMI (AP) - Gov. Jeb Bush has e-mailed GOP donors and activists telling them to single-mindedly focus on his brother's re-election instead of the 2006 horse race for governor.

Bush, who is in charge of his brother's re-election campaign in Florida, acknowledged "the enormous pressure" on party loyalists to commit early on candidates to replace him. "Our focus will have to be on one thing and one thing only - re-electing the Bush-Cheney ticket in whatever form that takes," Bush said in an e-mail obtained by The Miami Herald.

"None of us would like to see a repeat of what happened to George in 2000," Jeb Bush wrote in a shorthand reference to Florida's election meltdown.

"I believe very strongly that as Florida becomes an increasing target for the Democrats and their national financial resources, it will take each and every one of us to make sure that my brother has all the financial resources he will need to win."

Geoffrey Becker, executive director of the Florida Republican Party, and Scott Maddox, chairman of the state's Democratic Party, both said Saturday that they see the message as an acknowledgment of a tough fight in a tossup state next year.

It was just sort of friendly reminder that we have a big job ahead of us," Becker said. "It's just important for everyone to keep the attention on the race at hand."

Maddox said, "I think they know they're in trouble, and for the governor to be willing to put it in writing is actually astounding.

"They're going to have to pull out all the stops. That's what that e- mail is all about," he said. Bush "is right to think that he's going to need every last dime of special interest money that he is going to squeeze from people for the president's re-election."

Maddox and Becker also said they were puzzled by Bush's "whatever form" remark. Becker speculated it was a reference to the form that the re-election organization will take.

Jeb Bush cannot run again for governor under term limit rules. For the next governor's race, he wrote, "It would mean a great deal to me personally if you would agree not to commit to a candidate until we can finish the 2004 presidential cycle."

Likely Republican contenders for governor include Attorney General Charlie Crist, Florida's Chief Financial Officer Tom Gallagher, Lt. Gov. Toni Jennings and U.S. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Mel Martinez.


100 posted on 10/18/2003 4:02:13 PM PDT by Don Joe
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