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Conventional Wisdom: Is Cruz stealing delegates from Trump?
The Weekly Standard ^ | The April 25, 2016 Issue | Jay Cost

Posted on 04/15/2016 2:18:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

After Ted Cruz won every delegate up for grabs at the Colorado Republican convention, Donald Trump began complaining that the process at such conventions is unfair. His claim is that party insiders should not be making these choices, but rather that the power should be vested with the voters. As a consequence, Cruz is “stealing" delegates from Trump, and in so doing defying the will of the voters.

Trump's accusations are specious and disingenuous. The process that has been playing out is perfectly legitimate. Trump's real problem is that he is being outhustled by the Cruz campaign.

The Republican nomination process operates along two tracks. The first—which garners most of the attention—is the binding of convention delegates to a presidential candidate, through primaries and caucuses. When one sees news reports that Trump has 743 delegates, Cruz has 545 delegates, and Kasich has 143 delegates, these are the number of delegates obliged by the party rules to vote for that candidate on the presidential ballot in Cleveland.

But only a handful of the actual delegates have been selected so far. That is the second track, and it happens in three ways. Some delegates are directly chosen by the candidates, and others are directly voted upon by primary voters. But the overwhelming majority are selected by the party organizations in the states and territories, through a series of party conventions, usually held at the congressional district and state levels. In a few cases—Colorado, Wyoming, and some of the territories—these conventions are also tasked with binding the delegates. But most party conventions simply pick the people who will be delegates in Cleveland, leaving the task of binding to the voters in the primaries and caucuses.

Trump has been complaining that all of these conventions are unfair because his kneejerk reaction is to whine about anything that does not go his way. These conventions present two problems for him. In Colorado and Wyoming, Trump lost out on opportunities to win delegates pledged to him (i.e., the first track). But in other convention battles—for instance in Iowa, North Carolina, and Virginia—his problem has to do with the second track, in particular the growing number of Trojan horse delegates.

These Trojan horse delegates are obliged by party rules to vote for Trump on the presidential ballot, but they are otherwise loyal to Cruz. Just because they are required to vote for Trump for the presidential nomination does not mean they need to back him on other matters before the convention. Trojan horse delegates are free to vote with Cruz on disputes over rules or delegate credentials. They can also support Cruz on matters presented to the convention floor. All of that is important, as Cruz will undoubtedly try to tweak the convention rules to make it more difficult for anybody else to win the nomination. Crucially, the bulk of convention delegates are only bound to presidential candidates for a specified number of ballots. By a fourth or fifth ballot, almost all of them would be free to vote for whomever they prefer. Delegates loyal to Cruz but bound temporarily to Trump could ultimately deliver the nomination to the Texas senator.

Naturally, Trump thinks this is grossly unfair. This is nonsense. Nobody changed the party rules in the middle of this process, and nobody fed the Cruz campaign inside information that was not available to the Trump team. The rules have been a matter of public record all along. The Cruz campaign took the time to understand them and use them to its advantage.

Party conventions are open processes. Delegates to these gatherings are not handpicked by party bosses. They are regular Republicans who participate because they have the time and interest to do so. The Cruz team put in the effort to organize regulars loyal to its candidate; the Trump campaign failed to do so. Consider, for instance, the Colorado convention held earlier this month. Delegates to that convention were chosen at precinct caucuses held on Super Tuesday—and any registered Republican was invited to attend. That the Trump campaign failed to get its supporters to those caucuses is not the fault of the Cruz campaign, the Colorado Republican party, or anybody else except the Trump campaign.

The Republican party does not belong to its presidential candidates in the way that Trump presumes. In important respects, it still belongs to the party regulars who attend these conventions. Starting in the 1970s, the party organization began sharing authority with voters to select the presidential nominee, but sovereignty was never handed over to the electorate lock, stock, and barrel. The delegates to the national convention, chosen mostly by these state and district conventions, have always retained a role—not only to act when the voters fail to reach a consensus, but to conduct regular party business.

This is hardly antidemocratic, by the way. Party organizations such as these are a vital, albeit overlooked part of our nation's democratic machinery. The party regulars at the district, state, and national conventions do the quotidian work of holding the party together between elections: They establish its rules, arbitrate disputes, formulate platforms to present to the voters, and so on. It would be impossible to have a party without these sorts of people doing work the average voter doesn't care about.

And these people are hardly the "establishment" in any meaningful sense of the word. Consider the process in Colorado. There was a hierarchy at play, no doubt—delegates at precinct caucuses voted for delegates to district and state conventions, who voted for delegates to the national convention. But the process was open to any registered Republican, and more than a thousand people served as delegates at the state convention. There were some big political players involved, naturally, but by and large they were just average people. The same goes for the state conventions in places like Wyoming and North Dakota. These meetings in Cheyenne and Bismarck are in no way beholden to, or the equivalent of, the power players working on K Street.

Trump might retort that Cleveland delegates should never be unbound from him, that they should be required to vote for him through the duration of the convention. But how would the party ever reach consensus in a scenario where no candidate won a majority and every delegate is bound forever? If the voters cannot agree among themselves, then somebody has to find the middle ground. The convention delegates, chosen through a fair and open process at the precinct, district, and state levels, are an obvious choice to complete this task. And this indeed will be their job in Cleveland.

Trump could have worked harder to win loyal delegates at these local conventions. He might also have broadened his appeal, so that he stood a better chance of winning a majority of pledged delegates on the first ballot. But he did neither and now is trying to delegitimize the process. His complaint is the only thing that is illegitimate. The truth is that this process of selecting delegates is fair and proper. It just hasn't worked out to Trump's liking so far.


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1 posted on 04/15/2016 2:18:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More talking points about Cruz outsmarting Trump. The truth is, they changed the process in August just in case they couldn’t stop Trump. They cancelled the Colorado election to keep control end of story.


2 posted on 04/15/2016 2:24:25 PM PDT by Kenny (e)
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To: Kenny

This isn’t complicated - if the Party tells us that the base gets to choose by voting for their nominee, if the Party gives the message to members who register Republican that they get to pick the nominee, and then the members find out it doesn’t work that way, that is lying to us. Who would want to be a Republican if being misled and lied to? Not me.

Sure, the Party can “set the rules”, I suppose. Nevermind state by state, we live in 2016 with social media and computers, not 1809. Now if the Party “leaders” want to set the rules to be that our votes don’t matter and they will choose who is going to be a Republican candidate, not us, fine. They need to make that clear to all Americans that you can join the Party but you have no vote, no voice, you don’t choose, only the Party “leaders” choose like, oh, in the Communist Party for example.

Then folks will know what they are joining. I suspect, like, maybe no one, no American other than a few who cannot get their “candidate” to win the majority vote, would ever join such a Party.

I wouldn’t.

Is Donald Trump helping setup a new Party, if the current pack of fascists and Commissars in the Republican Party who want and use Communist Party rules don’t get their transparency straight? ...well I think Trump will have a real Party with real members who have a real voice - then I want to join that Party, not Communist Party rules for me, not Falangist delegation, not this un-American garbage from Spain or Cuba or something, foreign. These other shenanigans and abominations and Falangismo are really an Hispanic tradition from Mexico or Cuba or something, not American.

New national poll today, Trump 45 and Cruz 27. The base doesn’t want Cruz. Nor Hispanic traditions of Falangismo suffocation of the vote. No thanks, go to Mexico and run for El Presidente for some Falangismo Party. Not here.

Now here is the part 2 of “really isn’t complicated”. Some people say most Americans really aren’t involved in all of this politics. That is still true, but I say much less true than in the past. We live in a much more connected, wired, and wireless, satellite, computer, smartphone world today. As a result, more are involved, engaged, than ever before.

Take the Republican Party, for example. Now the base can much more easily see, or expose, communicate, video tape, et all, the shenanigans. The abominations.

That’s why they, the Party Syndicate for example or fanatics, want to shutdown websites, shutdown FR for example.

So now, we know more.

So now the base says, time for a reformation. For example, Islam needs a reformation. So too, the Republican Party. There isn’t going to be a Republican Party to speak of, if they don’t reform now.

It isn’t complicated. Right now, the things the Syndicate does is all about not being clear and transparent, but that is not the same as complicated. And when the Party Syndicate is such a Syndicate, and does this, it isn’t complicated, it is obvious and it means they are gaming the system.

It’s like Huckabee says, who would be a great VP by the way, “if you’re explaining, you’re losing”. The GOPe and Cruz says they are explaining how it works. Yeah, right. That means they are losing.

Take your explaining and stick it where the sun don’t shine.

But also I am not going to wait around until after this cycle, and then “hope” for next time and some bull **** happens to disenfranchise me at this critical time when we need Trump. Right now as I type this, I am in a park in a well to do area - and here comes some women pushing a baby cart and one kid in addition around 7 years old, both the girl and this women are in a burqa outfit and by the way a very low class version of such an outfit like she just arrived from some North Iraqi or Syrian village (yes, I can even distingush regions now), there are also two low class Somalis - and by the way most Somalis are criminal in culture and HIV positive - and over there the field is taken over by what looks like Hondurans and not Mexicans. The muslim N. Iraqi or Syrian cannot afford the house she came from, how the hell did she squat there? The Somalis came from another area, however, in a car. I am living in a third world. No one knows the why, what fors, the hows, the how many, we are all being lied to. I think this is literally the last election. We are being turned into either the Balkans, Bosnia, or some totally balkanized country, or turned into Baltimore, a country where we will never recognize again nor will we even have a voice or the vote at all.

It will all be double agent delegates. Until we stop it now. Last chance. And it ain’t Cruz.

WHO they are flooding us with, tells us WHY. It ain’t the best. It is the worst. And it is about replacing all of you with cheap labor, ending the middle class, and balkanizing us.

They are so addicted to cheap labor, not only will they, and are, overwhelming us with illiterate foreigners and those who will never assimilate but only balkanize us and eventually we will have Yugoslavia like civil war right here, I am telling you right now - THEY WOULD REINSTATE SLAVERY IF THEY COULD for their cheap labor drug, and don’t put it past them to try.


3 posted on 04/15/2016 2:26:24 PM PDT by ShivaFan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

"My name is Jay Cost, and I'm a subservient slave of the corrupt establishment. In short, I'm a jerk. But I get well paid for it."

4 posted on 04/15/2016 2:26:26 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Kenny

In your world is Rosie O’Donnell a swimsuit model?


5 posted on 04/15/2016 2:27:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I find it unbecoming that the person who seeks to be the Republican Party nominee so nastily bashes the hard working people who are Republican Party delegates. The delegate selection process starts at the precinct level and any Republican who wants to put in the effort to be a delegate can participate. Simply turning up to vote in a primary and spending a few minutes in the effort is not enough. Trump knows this but he plays on the emotions of his uninformed voters to try to tear apart the Republican party. The negotiations between the Colorado and national party about how they would choose their nominee began long before Trump even announced his campaign.


6 posted on 04/15/2016 2:34:42 PM PDT by Savage Rider
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Umm, what you call “hustle” I call a dishonesty that precludes me from voting for him under any circumstance...


7 posted on 04/15/2016 2:37:09 PM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Trump's accusations are specious and disingenuous. The process that has been playing out is perfectly legitimate. Trump's real problem is that he is being outhustled by the Cruz campaign.

Translation:

Trump's accusations have given him a bump at the expense of Cruz in national polling. Despite the fact that Trump presenting the subject is "within the rules" we will not praise him for simply outhustling Cruz and taking advantage of anything he can within the rules to win. And we sure hope nobody notices how silly and hypocritical this makes us look, because really we are just in the tank for Cruz and will excuse anything he does, and condemn whatever Trump does, and right now we are scared about this bump Trump has gotten, so we are writing an unhinged article trying to reverse it.

8 posted on 04/15/2016 2:38:35 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Kenny

No, they did not cancel the election. They cancelled a meaningless, no-binding straw poll.


9 posted on 04/15/2016 2:39:12 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Kenny
Trump did have his people call and pester the delegates before the vote. So, his campaign knew what the score was. He did not do the work that was required to get the votes. That is why he lost in CO.

I attended my district convention. I encouraged a Trump supporter to be a delegate. He was a newbie in politics and was an immigrant from Poland. He came to the convention and I found him and showed him where his delegation was so he could be seated. His one question to me was, "Where are all the Trump signs?" He thought that it was supposed to be a Trump rally. And it bothered him that there was not more representation of Trump in the room.

The people who vote at district, state and national conventions are people who have been involved in grassroots politics for many years. And I can tell you from experience we know when someone is not prepared enough to run for office or to be a delegate.

10 posted on 04/15/2016 2:44:35 PM PDT by Slyfox (When someone tells it like it is, is it the truth?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rickey Henderson stole over 1400 bases in his MLB career, with the Athletics, Yankees, Blue Jays, Padres, Angels, Mets, Mariners, Red Sox, and Dodgers, including 130 in a single season in his fourth year. The teams that let him do it should have known better and focused on beating him by the rules. I don’t remember anyone complaining that the rules were unfair when he outplayed them. Two players, George Gore and Billy Hamilton, actually stole seven bases each in a single game - again, advancing to bases they had not “earned” in the usual way but following the rules.

Meanwhile, Trump is getting close to 50% of the delegates with only 40% of the voters. No sensible person would complain that Trump is “stealing” delegates as he gets a disproportionate share under the rules.


11 posted on 04/15/2016 2:45:58 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kenny

Yes, the attempt to whitewash what Cruz is doing continues-it won’t work.


12 posted on 04/15/2016 2:47:21 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just wait until Monday, when they start complaining about Georgia... They have been going through the process of selecting the delegates to the state convention for several weeks, and the state convention will select most of the delegates to the national convention this weekend apparently. So the Trump campaign sends out a notice to their supporters about the delegate selection a couple of days ago. The only problem is - the people who will attend the state convention have already been selected at the county conventions, and the people who can be selected as delegates to the national convention had to submit their applications and go through an interview process over the past few weeks! The process is basically closed at this point.

So what will happen is once again you will have Trump supporters who did not participate in the county conventions showing up and demanding to be allowed to participate in the state convention, and you will have Trump supporters who did not go through the application and interview process demanding to be allowed to be delegates to the national convention. And when they are not allowed to do so, we will hear more weeping and wailing about how unfair it is. And yet once again it is the fault of the Trump campaign for waiting until the end of the process to get their supporters involved.

Honestly, I think many Trump supporters are getting to be worse than the BLM and SJW crowds...

13 posted on 04/15/2016 2:48:53 PM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: Savage Rider
The old 'uninformed' Trump voter attack again?

We know exactly what is going on and you can call it whatever you want to call it but it is still against the spirit of the primaries.

14 posted on 04/15/2016 2:49:24 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Pollster1
Who has the overwhelming majority of the actual votes?

Stop playing word games.

15 posted on 04/15/2016 2:50:51 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Slyfox
The people who vote at district, state and national conventions are people who have been involved in grassroots politics for many years. And I can tell you from experience we know when someone is not prepared enough to run for office or to be a delegate.

Oh really. So instead of going to the convention to represent the people from your state, you rely on your personal take? Pardon me but that doesn't make me feel any better, nope not a bit.

16 posted on 04/15/2016 2:51:00 PM PDT by Kenny (e)
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To: Savage Rider
I agree that those who work hard should get to be delegates. They're delegates which means the voters have delegated or trusted them to represent their votes. They don't get to do that if there's no voting to represent.

OH has issues too, about it being a mystery about how delegates are chosen. It was before the primary. As a registered Republican I never did get notification about where to show up and work hard and become a delegate.

17 posted on 04/15/2016 2:54:05 PM PDT by grania
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To: fortheDeclaration

Who is the “keeper of the spirit” of the primaries? Personally, I look to the rules of the primary to tell me what the primaries are about. The Colorado poster boy for Trump’s “I was cheated and my voters were disenfranchised” campaign burned up his voter registration papers because he was either uninformed or too lazy to show up for the proper meetings.


18 posted on 04/15/2016 2:55:24 PM PDT by Savage Rider
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To: fortheDeclaration
Who has the overwhelming majority of the actual votes?

No one. Trump has won 37% of votes in primaries. That's not a majority.

19 posted on 04/15/2016 2:58:09 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: grania

I’m not trying to be mean, but not everything in life is to be handed to us. A little research, or even asking the precinct people when you vote, will get you the information you need to get started to be a delegate.


20 posted on 04/15/2016 2:58:20 PM PDT by Savage Rider
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