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Ted Cruz in Wisconsin: Roe v. Wade not settled, ban abortion with no exceptions
The Capitol Times ^ | April 4, 2016 | Jessie Opoien

Posted on 04/04/2016 7:58:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

In his final swing through Wisconsin before the state's Tuesday presidential primary, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said states should be allowed to ban abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

Cruz took questions from Fox News host Megyn Kelly and audience members at a town hall event Monday at the Madison Masonic Center.

Early in the event, a woman who described herself as a moderate, pro-choice Republican told Cruz she's afraid if he becomes president he will outlaw abortion entirely.

Cruz said he wants to see people's hearts and minds changed on the issue. He argued laws should be changed at the state level, not through judicial decisions.

He also said he believes the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision is not settled law, calling it an example of judicial activism.

Kelly then noted that Cruz doesn't favor exceptions to allow abortion in cases of rape or incest.

"When it comes to rape, rape is a horrific crime against the humanity of a person, and needs to be punished and punished severely," Cruz said. "But at the same time, as horrible as that crime is, I don't believe it's the child's fault. And we weep at the crime, we want to do everything we can to prevent the crime on the front end, and to punish the criminal, but I don't believe it makes sense to blame the child."

Cruz took the question as an opportunity to criticize his Republican foe, real estate mogul Donald Trump, who said last week that if abortion were illegal, women ought to be punished for having one.

Trump later walked back his statement, saying he believes abortion should be illegal but that abortion providers and not the women who receive them should be punished

Cruz said Trump's comments were the words of a liberal trying to say what conservatives want to hear. He argued that women are victims of abortion, and said no conservative wants to see women punished.

Over the weekend, Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards campaigned for Democratic former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. She argued that women are already being punished by laws that make it increasingly difficult to obtain an abortion.

Richards, speaking at a private event on Saturday, said there is "not a daylight of difference between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz and John Kasich" on the issue.

Cruz was joined on Monday by two former presidential candidates now supporting him: Gov. Scott Walker and former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina.

He plans to await Wisconsin's primary results at Serb Hall in Milwaukee, according to his campaign.

The full interview and town hall event is set to air Monday night during Kelly's 8 p.m. show.


TOPICS: Wisconsin; Campaign News; Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; cruz; tedcruz; wi2016; wisconsin
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To: datura

yeah, it is a lot easier a lot of years on!!

when one is young and reckless (female AND male), or the case that you say happens, it’s BRUTAL.

I was no saint and I thank God I never had to face this question.

I do know of three girls that were friends that had abortions. Two were ripped apart mentally, one to the point of cutting. The third had severe psychiatric problems to begin with.


61 posted on 04/04/2016 9:22:10 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622

Yup - we have lots in common....


62 posted on 04/04/2016 9:23:35 PM PDT by datura
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To: dp0622

You’ve got mail.


63 posted on 04/04/2016 9:28:15 PM PDT by datura
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To: datura

If we do, then you have my sympathies :)

Someone pointed out that suicide is a crime but the person doesn’t go to prison. They go to psych for a while.

That’s one thing to think about.

and if it’s not in the constitution, it should go back to the states, and there’s ALWAYS gonna be states that allow it.

The rape and incest thing is horrific, but that’s what they use on us with guns. That mass shootings are the norm, not the exception. but it’s not true.

I don’t know...


64 posted on 04/04/2016 9:31:36 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: JPJones

Indies will be running from Cruz you mean.


65 posted on 04/04/2016 10:28:35 PM PDT by TexasCruzin ( He always hits back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m confused...

I’m sure Cruz thinks that abortion is murder. Yet he says that the person (the mother) who deliberately takes her child to be murdered is the victim?

This is unbelievably tortured logic. It’s called having the cake and eating it too.


66 posted on 04/04/2016 10:39:06 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

The unborn baby is the victim. The mother is an accomplice.


67 posted on 04/04/2016 10:42:19 PM PDT by TexasCruzin ( He always hits back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Winning!

Dear Lord, is he that slow of a learner??

War on women ring a bell?


68 posted on 04/04/2016 10:48:05 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ("You see you don't have to live like a refugee" Tom Petty or obama?)
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To: doldrumsforgop

Cool! Do you have any photos of you standing with people in GA or NC to stop the darkness descending? Just curious as I find it so amusing to listen to the righteous type out their devotion to what is right, yet never get off their computers to DO something.

Please tell me how Cruz is going to outlaw abortion, on the state level?


69 posted on 04/04/2016 10:52:29 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ("You see you don't have to live like a refugee" Tom Petty or obama?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No President can change law (except Obama and due to the inaction of congress).
Since abortion was legalized because of Roe v Wade, and Roe v Wade was a lie, shouldn’t the law be overturned?


70 posted on 04/04/2016 10:55:05 PM PDT by FreedomGuru (Leave my gluten alone hands off)
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To: boycott
Prior to the SCOTUS decision in Roe v. Wade in 1973, states either permitted abortion or prohibited abortion. Roe v. Wade asserted a right to privacy, nowhere explicitly defined in the federal constitution, and on that basis prohibited states from interfering in the relationship between a pregnant woman and her doctor(s). Cruz, and many other originalists point out that the Federal Constitution does not address abortion, either pro or con. Which means that it is up to the states to deal with it as they choose through legislation or state constitutions.

Cruz is running for the office of President of the United States. In that office he could not directly change present constitutional law on the subject of abortion. He could, and I am certain will, nominate justices to the SCOTUS that would in time rectify Roe. He could advocate for a Constitutional amendment overturning Roe, but that is a matter for Congress and the states, or for a Constitutional Convention to address. No president has the power to directly and unilaterally overturn a SCOTUS precedent. He can either shape the Court (through carefully selected nominees) or influence the shaping of the Constitution by amendment.

The question you have to ask is who will do a better job as President in ending Roe, Cruz or Trump? Trump has shown some really fuzzy thinking on the issue - to the extent that he has flubbed questions from the press multiple times. I have no doubt that Cruz, on the other hand, knows precisely what he can do as President to influence the court to reverse Roe, or to foster and amendment to the Federal Constitution that would nullify Roe.

Cruz has a clear understanding of the Constitution, Federalism and the Courts. He recognized where the equal protection arguments of the pro gay marriage forces where going and argued for an amendment to the Federal Constitution exempting state laws regulating marriage from the ambit of the Equal Protection clause. Gays won that race, regrettably.

I would rather have a President who understands the Constitution and the powers of the office o the president, and who is committed to overturning Roe v. Wade, and knows how it is done. I am supporting Ted Cruz.

71 posted on 04/04/2016 10:57:40 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

You do know that you’re on a conservative site, don’t you? There aren’t many pro-aborts here, at least there weren’t the last time I checked.


72 posted on 04/04/2016 11:08:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; AllAmericanGirl44

So what? She is entitled to her views and to be here and make her case for her views, as you and I are regarding our views.


73 posted on 04/04/2016 11:40:20 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: boycott

Cruz said he wants to see people’s hearts and minds changed on the issue. He argued laws should be changed at the state level, not through judicial decisions.

In other words, he’s not going to do anything.
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EXACTLEEEE.

Maybe we should let States decide slavery too? Oh wait....did that already. Abortion is either murder wherever it happens or its not murder anywhere. Cruz had a chance to try and do something against abortion in the Senate...did he filibuster against abortion? Nope.


74 posted on 04/04/2016 11:55:27 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: dp0622

If anyone could articulate why abortion is bad, I though it would be Cruz, but he then says this crap about not penalizing the woman.


75 posted on 04/04/2016 11:58:31 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, WIN LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Teddy....what do you mean no exceptions?

Per you it’s perfectly legal for a woman to abort a child at any point in the pregnancy from the first moment to the last moment ......

she just can’t have anybody help her but she can self-abort at any time ...

after all if there’s no punishment for her to abort it’s no crime for her to abort


76 posted on 04/05/2016 12:17:57 AM PDT by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Boy did this reporter massacre what cruz actually said to serve his/her agenda.


77 posted on 04/05/2016 12:45:56 AM PDT by applpie
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But don't punish the women who have the abortions!

It isn't their fault they want to kill their babies.

78 posted on 04/05/2016 3:10:34 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: datura
Personally I am alive because my 14 year old mother chose to have me adopted at birth over an abortion, so I have very strong opinions on abortion. But having said that, rape and insect are different issues. For St Ted to say he is the judge of these women and their situations proves that he thinks he can speak for God as judge. There is only ONE JUDGE, and it damn sure isn’t Ted Cruz...

But what if your 14-year-old mother had been raped? Would you have still wanted to live?

Ted Cruz should be applauded, not insulted (especially from someone with your history); it's a tough stance to take, and separates the chivalrous from the less-so.

He's trying to protect the mother from becoming engaged with two violent acts, the second of which is worse as it kills a baby, further damaging the woman. The rape is bad enough.
79 posted on 04/05/2016 4:08:00 AM PDT by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
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To: aquila48

I’m confused...


Watch this! Maybe it will help you to better understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLf7qfRVy3k


80 posted on 04/05/2016 4:12:23 AM PDT by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
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