Posted on 03/06/2015 12:11:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
As Matt Welch noted Wednesday, pediatric neurosurgeon and next Republican president of the United States Ben Carson both "lived down to stereotype" and articulated some truths about the GOP field for 2016 when he argued that gay sex among heterosexuals in prisons proves that being gay is a "choice." (Carson's very existence, by the way, proves my general about Republicans' "long love affair" manifestly unqualified candidates.)
Here's something else to think about while mulling over whether any of this matters more than a tinker's ding-dong: Ben Carson has apologized for his comments and is already being taken to the woodshed by conservatives for backing down and issuing a formal statement. "Ben Carson Caves to Gays," runs one indicative headline.
More interesting, Hot Air's Allahpundit writes that
"for all the heat Carson took [for both his original statement and subsequent apology], he’s open to legalized gay marriage insofar as he’s a federalist on the issue. “I support the right of individual states to sanction” the practice, he says, which puts him in line with Ted Cruz and puts both of them quite a ways away from social conservative orthodoxy as recently as 2008 or so in calling for a Federal Marriage Amendment to ban gay marriage nationwide. The media’s holding Carson up as an example of how retrograde his views are, but meanwhile even the right wing of the GOP field is ready for gay marriage coast to coast so long as it’s being enacted by state legislatures."
Allahpundit muses on how the Santorum/Huckabee types in the GOP field will respond to any or all of this, noting that Carson may well end up being seen as too hard on gay issues by people on the left and too soft on gays by social cons. But his position will almost certainly be the position of the GOP presidential candidate, who will definitely not be Dr. Ben. Or Rick Santorum or Mike Huckabee, either.
Read the whole thing.
This opens up a larger question that the GOP would do well to grapple with head-on: If the vast majority of presidential wannabes are good with gay marriage—or are at least good with the federal government staying the hell out of the issue—what will they do to take it off the table for discussion among their prospective candidates and national figures?
Polls routinely show 55 percent to 60 percent of Americans approve of gay marriage. The quickness with which the issue went from not even being on the radar screen to majority and growing acceptance indicates that no political party is ever going to do well because of an anti-gay marriage position (though a party might still flourish despite an anti-gay marriage stance). Of course, the gay marriage issue resonates perfectly with all the things that conservatives say they favor, such as long-term commitment in adult relationships, devolving power out of Washington, etc. Other than a religiously based opposition to homosexual activity—and most conservatives would agree that there is and should be a separation of church and state—nothing about the issues surrounding gay marriage presents a problem for conservatives.
Conservatives and Republicans should also consider how the belief that they are homophobic hurts them with the general population. Regardless of what presidential candidates might think on the issue of gay marriage, the national and many state-level GOP platforms are anti-gay.
There are large numbers of voters who are neither Republican nor Democratic loyalists. Call them moderates, independents, whatever. Like most voters, these people care first and foremost about issues such as "the economy," "the availability of good jobs," and "the way the federal government is working," to name the top three concerns among registered voters according to Gallup last fall.
While these voters may not vote with gay issues in the front of their minds, to the extent that Republicans are seen as intolerant and spiteful if not hateful toward gays, voters will likely go the other way. Or, same thing, not feel comfortable voting for a Republican. Especially if that doesn't reflect the feelings of the party's presidential candidates, the GOP should work to change the way it operates in the court of public opinion.
Here's Ben Carson apologizing on CNN:
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
Nick Gillespie: Man of Reason
He needs to apply some reason to his deeply cherished beliefs.
Carson is toast; he’s got to know that. I think he’s only running to show that a black person can be a Republican candidate.
He’ll fade before January.
It’s fine to say the federal govt should stay out of it NOW that federal judge after federal judge after federal judge has overturned popular vote after popular vote after popular vote against ‘gay marriage.’ Sort of like closing the barn door.
We keep looking at people who aren’t qualified for that position (i.e., Carson, West, Cain, Keyes) just because of their ethnicity. How is that any different from what the Democrats do?
I generally like his positions but one is a big disenabler for me....he is anti gun.
Dumb statement on Carson’s part. The fact that brutal horny men, deprived of any other sexual outlet will rape weaker men, hardly proves it’s a “choice”. Prison puts people into primitive survival mode. Like in early civilizations, the stigma is only on the person penetrated, because it’s unmanly. Or as they say, someone’s bitch.
I remember once Bush was asked if being gay was a choice. He said he didn’t know. Instead of going into the briar patch of homosexual issues, let’s just say we don’t know what causes homosexuality and we don’t want to discuss it.
I’ve been saying that for years (you forgot J.C. Watts). Some conservatives want so badly to prove conservatives aren’t racist. I call it Confimative Action.
I “get” his position on guns. After being raised in Detroit, he practiced for decades in Baltimore. Disgusting, crime-ridden, burned out major ghetto. Their hospitals’ ERs have gunshot and/or knifing victims line up down the halls.
When my son was a patient at Hopkins in the 90’s, and we stayed at a hospitality facility for long term patients’ families, a facility you could see from the main lobby of that world class hotel, they insisted on guests being escorted there by guards. Its’ THAT bad.
How does one separate law abiding people’s right to bear arms vs. the criminal element, I just don’t know. If the latter had weapons removed, there’d be no question about the former.
Um, make that Confirmative.
I “forgot” him because he was inconsequential. BTW, there will be no more black presidents, Dem or GOP, male or female, for at least one or two generations.
That may be very true, but can the democrat party ever again nominate a white male for president?
Nick Gillespie, what do you care?
Obviously he has nothing better to write about.
No, nor will they. Unless he’s transgendered or some $#*+.
I am not interested in the basis of his position. I look at the 2A and the last thing I want is anyone who is hell bent on altering it. FWIW as a child I was in a ward next to a slightly older kid who had been shot. It has not altered my position. Yeah, I was disturbed some kid got shot but I don’t think we need outlaw cars because some get maimed in accidents due to carelessness either.
You may think wanting to have sex with men isn't being a homosexual, but I don't.
That’s good advice, but I’m not running for POTUS. What we do know is that homosexuality is highly correlated to pedophile molestation of children and epigenetic effects.
We need to win and shrink the scope of government, before we can recapture our culture. Actually, American culture will be driven by parents and families and that means the cultural rot itself is a choice.
I would say unless they still do so it when they have the choice of heterosexual sex it doesn't. It means their libido trumps their natural inclination in an unnatural situation. Homosexuals' natural inclination is to the same sex.
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