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Ron Paul: The government knew where Bin Laden was but wanted a pretext to invade the Middle East
Hot Air ^ | February 18, 2015 | Allahpundit

Posted on 02/19/2015 5:09:40 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Fun stuff via BuzzFeed, portending an exciting “whose close relative is more of a devastating electoral liability?” primary for the GOP if the two men left standing are Jeb Bush and Rand Paul.

I don’t understand this even within the parameters of the Ron Paul worldview. I thought hardcore isolationists — sorry, “non-interventionists” — believe that the war machine will always find a new pretext to keep rolling even if the current one goes bust. Obama, for instance, did eventually get Bin Laden, along with many other Al Qaeda capos … and yet at this very moment there’s an AUMF pending in Congress to authorize a wider American war against jihadis in Iraq and Syria. The U.S. could have nuked Tora Bora in 2001, vaporizing Bin Laden and every jihadi degenerate within 50 miles, and Bush still would have had a case that Saddam’s Iraq was too dangerous to continue, both as a potential nuclear threat and an enabler in various ways of Islamic radicalism. Paul must be the only true-blue dove in the U.S. who thinks the Vast PNAC Iraq War Conspiracy hinged on whether one guy survived to 2003 or not.

His “letters of marque” idea also feels like something his fans would have crapped all over if an officially designated warmonger rather than Ron Paul himself had suggested it. One of the anti-war movement’s biggest knocks on Bush was the Pentagon’s overuse of private contractors, a.k.a. mercenaries, who lacked the sort of accountability required of American soldiers. Imagine the scandal among doves if a full-blown mercenary army, no doubt dubbed “Dick Cheney’s Rough Riders” by critics, had been dropped into Afghanistan and rampaged its way across the countryside in the name of finding Bin Laden with the backing of the U.S. government. If they succeeded in killing him, doves would have treated it as a short-term success that nonetheless set a dangerous precedent in empowering self-interested soldiers of questionable discipline and reliability. If they failed to kill him, doves would have destroyed Bush for waging war on the cheap and sending a small, unprofessional force to wreak havoc when the U.S. military surely could have done the job better and faster. In fact, we’re training a mercenary army right now in Syria to take the fight to ISIS. How’s that working out? As I recall, Rand Paul’s pretty been dim on the idea of outsourcing our war to shady Syrian “moderates.” Would Blackwater be better?

Anyway. It’s fascinating that Papa Paul’s making no effort to rein in this sort of thing even as major papers are reporting the tentative date of his son’s presidential announcement. The problem for Rand isn’t so much that he’ll be held responsible for dad’s views, although of course that is a potential problem. The problem for Rand is that he needs to hold onto Ron’s libertarian base to have a fighting chance at the nomination, and every time Ron goes full metal isolationist like this, it’s a reminder to libertarians that Rand’s a pale imitation of what got them excited about the rEVOLution in the first place. The nightmare scenario for Rand is that mainstream conservatives give up on him because they fear he’s secretly too much like Ron while libertarians give up on him because they fear he’s secretly not much like Ron. Why, if you asked him, I bet Rand would say that the federal government didn’t know where Bin Laden is and didn’t use his fugitive status as a reason to invade Iraq. What kind of rEVOLutionary is that?

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TOPICS: Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; lping; osama; randpaul; ronpaul; wot

1 posted on 02/19/2015 5:09:40 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ron Paul is a walking, talking canker sore.


2 posted on 02/19/2015 5:10:42 AM PST by samtheman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The GOP version of Sheila Jackson Lee.


3 posted on 02/19/2015 5:11:40 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The problem for Rand isn’t so much that he’ll be held responsible for dad’s views, although of course that is a potential problem.

Rand has plenty of self inflicted loonitarian wounds, wacky daddy Ron Paul notwithstanding.

4 posted on 02/19/2015 5:13:56 AM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s off in the deep end of the anti-American swanp. He has some likeminded friends on FReeREpbulic, but not many. They’re like Putinistas. Their loyalty is to their crackpot theories, not the US, not the US Constitution, not the rule of law, not property rights, not separations of power, not a free press. They’re just weird.


5 posted on 02/19/2015 5:13:57 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL!

And, everytime I see that AUMF acronym, I think
“all you muff occurs”


6 posted on 02/19/2015 5:14:05 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: TADSLOS

The nut doesn’t fall far from the tree.


7 posted on 02/19/2015 5:22:20 AM PST by elcid1970 ("I: am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: samtheman
Hemorrhoid.
8 posted on 02/19/2015 5:30:07 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: TADSLOS
Rand has plenty of self inflicted loonitarian wounds...

Good word, loonitarian.

I like it.

9 posted on 02/19/2015 5:31:50 AM PST by samtheman
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To: TADSLOS
The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.

Good tag line.

Very clever way of expressing the current state of our sad country.

10 posted on 02/19/2015 5:32:46 AM PST by samtheman
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To: samtheman
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Google Ron/Rand Paul for 2012/2016 !!!!
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11 posted on 02/19/2015 5:40:55 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Ok. I did that. A long list of results, some regarding Ron... some Rand.

Not really following your point here.


12 posted on 02/19/2015 5:43:14 AM PST by samtheman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The nightmare scenario for Rand is that mainstream conservatives give up on him because they fear he’s secretly too much like Ron while libertarians give up on him because they fear he’s secretly not much like Ron.”

I think that has already happened.


13 posted on 02/19/2015 5:55:10 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dr. Demento strikes again. This guy should be in a rubber room.


14 posted on 02/19/2015 7:08:07 AM PST by Bayan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is always a tossup whether Ron or Rand will say the most ridiculous thing, but Ron has the experience that gives him an edge...


15 posted on 02/19/2015 7:24:59 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well... I happen to know that many people were upset when we killed Osama. We DID know where he was and we had been and were constantly using information gained from having him surveilled. I am not guessing here... I know.


16 posted on 02/19/2015 7:37:12 AM PST by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: Redbob

Here’s Ron Paul on Iranian TV apologizing for terrorism and blaming Israel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1t4O9CcZQ0


17 posted on 02/19/2015 7:44:01 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Letters of marque are less “Ron Paul’s idea” and more Madison, Jay, and Washington’s....


18 posted on 02/19/2015 8:52:34 PM PST by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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