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Hillary Clinton Fans Pat Caddell And Doug Schoen Are Living In A Fantasy World
Mediaite ^ | November 23, 2011 | Tommy Christopher

Posted on 11/24/2011 8:02:09 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

In a recent op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, Fox News contributors Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen urged President Obama to “abandon his candidacy for re-election” in favor of “the one candidate who would become, by acclamation, the nominee of the Democratic Party: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.”

Their premise is that Sec. Clinton not only has a better chance to win, but “is the only leader capable of uniting the country around a bipartisan economic and foreign policy.”

Now, most liberals will take one look at that byline and say “Who cares what a couple of ‘Fox News Democrats’ have to say?”

That’s an excellent point, not because Schoen and Caddell are Fox News contributors, but because their idea is so laughably unserious, it really doesn’t merit any pushback. Aside from conservatives who already hate President Obama, there’s really only one audience for this: the remnants of disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters who still haven’t gotten over the bitter 2008 Democratic primary. It is out of affection for them that I even bother writing about this.

Let’s set aside the “merits” of Caddell and Schoen’s premise that the President could govern more effectively as a lame duck, or that President Obama has been the “overtly partisan” cause of ”two years of political gridlock at a time when we can ill afford it.”

Concede, even, that Hillary Clinton could win a Democratic primary. She was an excellent candidate in 2008, but she ran a disastrous campaign, overseen by Schoen partner Mark Penn. This time would hopefully be better. Schoen and Caddell labor under a fantasy that has overtaken many a Clintonista, and has been fueled by lots of conservative pro-Hillary talk since 2008:

But this is about more than electoral politics. Not only is Mrs. Clinton better positioned to win in 2012 than Mr. Obama, but she is better positioned to govern if she does. Given her strong public support, she has the ability to step above partisan politics, reach out to Republicans, change the dialogue, and break the gridlock in Washington.

When faced with the choice between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in 2008, and with Obama’s election to the presidency, conservatives began to talk Hillary up, and have continued to do so since, constructing the myth that President Hillary Clinton could have united the country in a bipartisan Shangri-La with her new Republican admirers. Those who believe this have been taken in by a crocodile’s grin.

As an alternative to Barack Obama, conservatives love Hillary Clinton, but without him to kick around, they would almost certainly revert to their default position on all things Clinton. Have these people forgotten how much the right wing absolutely hated Hillary Clinton?

As bad as the anti-Obama craziness has been, it was ten times worse for the Clintons, especially Hillary. President Obama gets accused of being a secret Muslim, or a covert Kenyan, but back in the day, these people actually accused Hillary Clinton of murder. That’s just what they would say openly. You wouldn’t believe the craziness that bubbled and squeaked in the wingnut-o-sphere for years.

Republicans aren’t obstructing Barack Obama because they want to share power with the right Democrat, they’re obstructing President Obama because they want to take power from the Democrats. Whatever you see them doing now to President Obama, they would multiply exponentially under President Clinton II. That kind of argument, though, appeals to many Democrats, who never met a Republican they couldn’t roll over for.

Hillary Clinton may run for president in 2016, and if she does, I hope she wins, but the idea that Republicans would be tripping over themselves to help her govern is sheer fantasy.


TOPICS: Campaign News; Parties; State and Local
KEYWORDS: 2012; caddell; democrats; dougschoen; hillary; obama; patcaddell; schoen
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Nope, it's because if black voters stay home in droves, the Democrats couldn't win the dogcatcher race in Bugtussle, Arkansas. They couldn't care less about the welfare of the United States of America.
1 posted on 11/24/2011 8:02:18 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hillary Clinton is not a leader. She is a loser.


2 posted on 11/24/2011 8:07:35 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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...her liver will give out before she even runs. Ducking snipers will do that to ya...


3 posted on 11/24/2011 8:07:45 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These 2 are old Clinton bots who still cannot get over the fact she lost to Obama.


4 posted on 11/24/2011 8:10:04 AM PST by hitchwolf
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Caddell and Scheon are democrats.. Wonder what else they "don't" know.?

You know the U.S. Constitution has "three words" not mentioned in it ANYWHERE...

1. Democratic..
2. Democracy...
3. or democrat...

** its on purpose its not an oversight.. also exactly WHY america is not a democracy..

5 posted on 11/24/2011 8:11:55 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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President Obama gets accused of being a secret Muslim, or a covert Kenyan, but back in the day, these people actually accused Hillary Clinton of murder.

Well, if we want to considder the fact, then Obama IS a Muslim, and there's nothing "secret" about it. He was born a Muslim, adopted by a Muslim, educated as a Muslim, worshipped in mosques as a Muslim, and still acts like a Muslim now. Is he a Kenyan? That is less certain, but he sure as hell wasn't born in Hawaii, or we wouldn't have all of those forged COLBs floating around.

And the Clinton body count has been well established. Most can be laid at Clintbilly's door, but several have Hillary's fingerprints on them.

As for hillary's "qualifications," she has no more qualifications than Obama. The only job she ever held in her life was orchestrating Watergate at the Rose Law Firm.

6 posted on 11/24/2011 8:16:11 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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I must admit that your fantasy is far better than poor old Pat and Doug’s.


7 posted on 11/24/2011 8:16:31 AM PST by dforest
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To: Doogle

Are you inferring that adult beverages are responsible for all that bloat?


8 posted on 11/24/2011 8:19:17 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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the ONLY to trump Negrodamus’s blackness is with a woman candidate.. i.e. Bachmann...

Many/most voted for Obama exactly because he was black “kinda”...
Because he literally had nothing else to offer..
Still does not..

Michele Bachmann is the ONLY viable candidate to get some of those votes..
Being a woman trumps being black.. the trump card..

HilleryCare has the same problems RomneyCare and ObamaCare have.. they are JOB killers.. and expensive..


9 posted on 11/24/2011 8:20:20 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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Atty Orly Taitz presentation with new hampshire ballot board...riveting...Must See..50K views so far! re: obama eligibility...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUcyb5pmUKI


10 posted on 11/24/2011 8:22:55 AM PST by biggredd1
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Hey Pat! Did you guys hire Craig Livingston?


11 posted on 11/24/2011 8:23:49 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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I think Hillary is through with politics.
This Sec. State job is grueling.

BUT!!!

I’d LOVE to see internecine warfare in the Dem party next Spring.

Imagine the ammo she’d have to throw out to justify her bid!
Starting with the fact she’d have to resign first!


12 posted on 11/24/2011 8:33:35 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: freekitty

Hitlery is as Evil as BO. She’s one wicked woman.


13 posted on 11/24/2011 8:38:14 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: hosepipe

I think if that were the case, then Hillary would have won.


14 posted on 11/24/2011 8:40:39 AM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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There is one question that Schoen and Caddell totally ignore in their article:

If Clinton were the Dem nominee today, and she if fact won the election, what would she be doing differently than Obama?

Get back to me on that...

15 posted on 11/24/2011 8:46:05 AM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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" Have these people forgotten how much the right wing absolutely hated Hillary Clinton?"

And we still do Tommy!

16 posted on 11/24/2011 9:05:36 AM PST by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / The democrat party "Can Go Straight To Hell".)
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It is all academic anyway. No way in hell is the Usurper going to voluntarily yield power. Even if Clinton decided to run, she would be old news, seen as an insurgent, and a dead duck in the obama controlled caucuses that sank her in 2008.

Just bar talk by disgruntled 'rats.

17 posted on 11/24/2011 9:23:00 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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[ I think if that were the case, then Hillary would have won. ]

Wasn’t true then.. BUT it is true NOW..
Most American Blacks and Most American Women have become political Cretins.. Monkeys.. Chimps..

Unfortunately not a small amount of Men as well..
Easy to prove.. look how many democrats there still are..


18 posted on 11/24/2011 9:28:42 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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I never said Hillary would be a great president, I merely said she'd have been better than Obama. That's a very low hurdle to jump over. Obama is the most anti-business/free-enterprise prez we've ever had. He literally doesn't know the first think about a free-market system. Among a lot of other things he does't know the first thing about. Like loving your own country.

Hillary would still be a liberal Dem intent on foisting leftist policies on the country, but her opportunistic hubby would rein her in on some her stupider actions. Michelle Obama probably thinks her husband isn't enough of a Marxist. Hillary would be a disaster, but not the galactic disaster that Obama has become.

19 posted on 11/24/2011 9:37:47 AM PST by driftless2
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Pat “Driplip” Caddell is a Jimmy Carter fan, not a Hillary Clinton fan. Caddell was the most vocal Democrat attacker of Bill Clinton over the Lewinsky scandal.


20 posted on 11/24/2011 9:39:06 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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