Posted on 04/01/2024 1:47:36 PM PDT by CDR Kerchner
This is absolutely correct. The wife's citizenship did not matter. Only the father.
If you disagree with him, you should stop saying things like this which support his position.
Yes, the horrible, corrupt, incompetent courts do not agree. Same thing they did with all the vote fraud in 2020.
Means it's more likely true.
Doesn’t matter. The ticket won’t win.
“If you disagree with him, you should stop saying things like this which support his position.”
I didn’t. Supreme Court decisions going back into the 1800s make it clear he’s nuts. And basing his theory on Vattel, who didn’t write what he thought Vattel wrote, is just bad history.
She must have had some citizenship connection to the US to be able to emigrate in 1983.
A valiant effort but wasted. May as well argue with a flat earther or a chemtrails advocate. A waste of time and energy.
No they don't. You are simply repeating the bullsh*t that a lot of Pro-Obama people spewed when this issue was being debated.
Wong Kim Ark (which I am sure is the one you are referring to) never declared Wonk Kim Ark to be a "natural born citizen." It said he was a citizen by the operation of the 14th amendment, which is clearly not at all the same thing as a natural citizen.
So people are misleading others about what the Supreme Court actually said, and you should stop repeating this misleading claim.
And basing his theory on Vattel, who didn’t write what he thought Vattel wrote, is just bad history.
Uh yes, Vattel did write what he thought he wrote. Did I show you that Pennsylvania law book which explicitly said Vattel was the source of the definition for "natural citizenship" in the United States?
I assume you are referring to the woman's mother.
Doesn't matter what her reasons were for being in the US, so long as she married an American citizen husband, the Child would be regarded as a "natural born citizen" by the standards of 1787. (The year the Constitutional convention wrote the US Constitution.)
The Kennedy/Shanahan ticket could take away votes from Biden. How much remains to be seen, but I think the farther left they run, they better it is for Trump.
“Uh yes, Vattel did write what he thought he wrote.”
Simply, factually wrong. We KNOW what he wrote. “Les Naturels ou indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays de Parens Citoyens.” That was dealing primarily with Continental Euprope’s laws, but it very plainly did NOT say “Natural Born Citizen”.
He DID discuss “Natural Born Subjects” elsewhere - forget where - but he was not even TRYING to define NBC.
AND...Wong Kim Ark discussed the meaning of NBC at great length. While it was “dicta” and not binding, it proved so persuasive that no court since has ever felt a need to question the meaning.
We have court cases going back to the early 1800s involving the meaning of NBC and they tend to go like this:
“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.” - Leake v. Gilchrist, 13 N.C. 73 (N.C. 1829)
“The term citizen, was used in the constitution as a word, the meaning of which was already established and well understood. And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President… The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not. ” - Lynch vs. Clarke (NY 1844)
Shanahan will probably run a bit further to the left than RFK Jr but on what grounds anyone could prefer Biden/Harris is a real mystery.
By your logic, Trump isn’t eligible, since his mother was a British citizen.
Trump’s mother became a naturalized American citizen before he was born like his father. He’s natural born with sole allegiance to America via his two US Citizen parents.
OK It’s not my logic, it was Washington, Jay and before him a guy named Vattel.
Right you are BillyBoy about Trump’s children with deceased wife Ivana not being eligible for Article II jobs. People on the same page as CDR Kerchner know the true meaning of natural born Citizens (NBC), much unlike those ‘designer’ explanations that seem to rule almost everyone on earth an NBC of the USA. Example: How incredibly stupid is it to consider a baby born on US soil to two illegal aliens to be eligible for the presidency or vice-presidency of the USA?!
Anyone born in the 50 states +D.C. to one (1) or no (0) US citizen parents are declared, by positive laws, STATUTORY US citizens. A STATUTORY citizen is not the same as a natural born Citizen. This applies to President TrumpâÂÂs first three children with Ivana.
A natural born Citizen does not need any US law to make them a US citizen. They are a citizen by the act of “nature” - born on US soil to two (2) US citizen parents. ThatâÂÂs precisely why they call them âÂÂnatural born CitizensâÂÂ. Congress cannot make anyone a natural born Citizen, because they do not have that Constitutional authority. That is why - try as you may - you will not find the phrase “natural born Citizen” in any current US citizenship/naturalization law. The 110th Congress US Senate tried to trick us to think someone born overseas to two US citizen parents are natural born Citizens, but they cited a US naturalization law that was repealed in 1795. But, that did not matter. They nominated loser McCain anyways and failed to address aka OmuleEars’ own non-natural born Citizenship.
Summary: All persons born overseas to one or even two US citizen parents must be naturalized through positive US naturalization laws; else, they are aliens. All persons born in the 50 states +D.C. to one or no US citizen parents are STATUTORY US citizens through positive US laws; else, they are aliens.
Stop it.
You ask “Has any freeper who is a lawyer ever agreed to your proposal?”
My answer “Yes, Checkmate.”
Nothing against the quadrennial “NBC” knitting circle, which seems like harmless fun. The number of US-born candidates tossed by the courts from a POTUS/VPOTUS ballot, however stands at zero. That number is not going to change.
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