Posted on 02/15/2024 4:55:31 AM PST by MtnClimber
Note if we go down this path I’m start a hydrogen refueling company with refueling sites across the USA.
The name will be Hindenburg Refueling……..
If it fails the companies dem owners contribute (launder) a huge amount to the dems and go bankrupt after laundering a LOT of the money to themselves and their pals.
Either way, dems win $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
I’ve got pipe sitting on location trying to get some Sun and heat to get rid of hydrogen embrittlement. It’s a tiny molecule/atom, very active, and worms its way into metal easily, greatly reducing its strength.
The engineering that would be required to make a consumer engine that doesn’t cost $1mmm and lasts is immense.
Unicorn farts? I’m holding out for Rainbow Stew.
1) So called "green" hydrogen ain't green even if produced with solar or wind when you think about what goes into making solar panels and wind turbines. IMHO, hydro power is about the only thing that's truly energy harnessing with little pollution impact. And even that is under attack by the left. And in right-controlled states hydro power is probably about as utilized as it can get (i.e. I can't think of anywhere else in my home state of Alabama to build a dam).
2) Anything done at the grid level with intermittent energy sources is beyond stupid. Even with green hydrogen touted as a storage medium to smooth out the "duck curve", it's still not dependable enough.
3) The only areas where hydrogen or solar or wind make sense is if it's decentralized (for your own home or your own business) to make yourself a bit more self-reliant on energy so that the government overlords have less control over you and your finances with their warmageddon cult energy policies.
4) So if you are thinking about hydrogen storage in a decentralized manner, fine. I get that. Just know that the return trip efficiency of kWh used to run the electrolyzer, store hydrogen even as a gas (without extra kWh to cool it as a liquid), then later use that hydrogen gas to power a fuel cell to give you kWh when needed --- all of that has a horrible efficiency rate. The best I've seen IIRC is 40% of kWh retrieved from the fuel cell for every kWh used by the electrolyzer (a 60% loss). But with my battery storage I have only a 9.8% loss. (In year 2023 I charged my batteries a total of 12.0667 mWh, and discharged them a total of 10.8805 mWh, for a loss of 1.1862 mWh. That means of all the power used to charge them during the days, with some loss of power during the charge, some loss holding the charge for a few hours until night, then some more loss pulling the charge from the batteries when my electrical panels needed power, I had on average a 90.2% throughput. To get that same total 10.8805 mWh from hydrogen storage with only 40% throughput I would have had to use a lot more than 12.0667 mWh generating the hydrogen, when means I would have had to spend a lot more on solar panels to generate that power and use up a lot more space for those panels.)
I think unicorn farts are a better bet.
I would be tempted to go with pixie dust, but the pixies are smart enough to stay in hiding so the greenies can’t round them up and put them in slave labor camps.
Unicorns are too innocent and trusting to think of such things.
Ping
“OK, there’s nuclear, but environmentalists and regulators have nuclear completely blocked. That means that to be carbon-free, most electricity must come from ...”
Environmentalists and regulators will lose out to the technical reality that nuclear is the cleanest non-intermittent source of electrical power.
Until the fusion dream comes true.
A ways back when looking into hydrogen as a fuel, I recall a design that manufactured hydrogen on site using nothing but water and a nominal amount of electricity.
If the electricity was from hydro power, there would be zero carbon impact.
Even if coal was used to produce the electricity, it would be a minor impact since the amount of electricity used would be nominal.
If I spent the time, I could find it, but I’m not going to. You can find it for yourselves.
My memory calls BULLSHIRT on this article.
Any such resistence is designed in the same way as the lies against nuclear, by the same people and for the same reasons. Climate protection was never an issue.
You get less power from burning hydrogen than the power required to generate hydrogen from water using electrolysis. The loss in energy is inefficiency in the process and entropy. If it was economical then someone would be doing it by now.
The left will shut down fusion power when the time comes. There will be some ec0-concern so they can continue to tear down Western Civilization which is their true goal.
one of these so-called “green hydrogen” outfits in Boulder County, AquaHydrex, just went tits-up when they had used up all of their government grant money ... just for grins, i looked at their website (which now no longer exists): it was covered with lots of pretty pics and buzz-wordy sciencey-sounding happy talk, but when you drilled down you found out they were using “magic” hydrolysis, the same process your high school chemistry teacher used to make small explosions to get your attention (well, the same process without the “magic” part) ...
“You get less power from burning hydrogen than the power required to generate hydrogen from water using electrolysis.”
the Democrats really need to repeal those pesky Laws of Thermodynamics ... [the German Nazis actually tried that by outlawing “Jewish Physics”, which worked until their Jap allies were blown to kingdom come with atomic bombs based on “Jewish Physics”]
“The left will shut down fusion power when the time comes.”
I’d think not unless the fusion process has environmentally harmful side effects.
Countering the ‘left’ are people like me that want reliable electric power and fuel for our cars.
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