Posted on 11/26/2023 8:19:31 AM PST by RandFan
Totally agree. We need a new political party as well because Republicans are about as useful as an ice machine in the Arctic, they do less than nothing. What ticks me off more than anything is look how many people have died because of this piece of sh— Biden being installed into office. Afghanistan withdrawal, Ukraine, Israel, the border, fentanyl and 2024 is only going to get worse and for what?
Throw that Alexa Google conduit into the garbage.
He paid the price and he was looking for protection as a whistle-blower. Deepstate forced him against a wall.
I guess the only way of measuring the thought of having sympathy for Snowden is based upon what he accomplished by doing it in a legal or illegal way. If he had done it legally, using the information that he could legally use, that still makes him a whistleblower but not a criminal (traitor). He chose to leak sensitive information marked confidential to the public, escaped the US, and became a Russian citizen.
There are channels to point out deficiencies in the system without making it so obvious what he was doing. He wasn’t trying to help. He was attacking the country he left and became a citizen of another country. That’s noit a whistleblower. That’s a spy doing espionage. And it didn’t change a thing anyway.
wy69
I knew you’d agree
Now if only they’d do something with this information!
There is no protection for them. I mean, real protection.
I dont know if this has changed now?
I’ve heard whistleblowers can now go to congressmen direct with concerns
Whistle-blowers are protected from harassment and related by Federal regulations.
Government workers are required to yearly take a course on that.
That said, in reality, the way one can tell a real whistle-blower is that the govt persecutes them...jail/fines/etc.
Illegal of course for the govt to do that, but with elections being corrupted to the point they are now, the public has no tool to reform the corruption.
The Ukraine govt is said to be one of the most corrupt in the world...and yet the current Administration is in bed with them.
Birds of a feather, flock together?
I agree
Of course now we know about them and keep re-electing the people that made them, and nothing happens.
It’s funny. I don’t seem to recall anything earth shattering he’s released. I haven’t been paying attention because nothing would surprise me.
So tell us: What did he disclose and would a pardon disclose more? I think he blew his wad already.
Remember the Pentagon Papers?
Did that whistle-blower get fined and imprisoned?
Or was he made a hero for his act?
Little know factoid: Lynda Resnick, part of Ellsberg’s little clique who helped cut up the stolen TS documents for release to the press, is now the largest land holder in California.
She and her husband Stewart own Wonderful Pistachios and Almonds. You’ve probably seen Wonderful Pomegranate juice in stores.
Never indicted, never prosecuted, worked furiously to help North Vietnamese Communists and is now...the biggest property holder employing squat labor in this state.
The hypocrisy is of course breathtaking.
Snowden showed us the vast deep-state spy network that existed and hte tools the deep-state uses for mass surveillence.
Trump’s 2016 campaign showed de facto how those tools are used politically.
Trump should have pardoned both Snowden and Assange, as a middle-finger to the DC deep-state hacks of all stripes who still attack him today.
I go back to Ben Franklin's quote: those who are willing to trade freedom for security will not get neither.
Chaos and violence caused by the contradictions, arrogance and greed of an unelected tyranny is coming, and it will be a lot worse than if the issue was simply dealt with at the time it was discovered.
Snowden is a hero
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SnowJob is anything but a hero - while the press played his fiddle, he gave the Chinese, then the Russians who in turn gave to the Iranians and AQ, all of NSA’s Methods and Means of collection as well as the names of the projects and people working in those countries (all now dead).
The information that appeared in public meta data etc had been in the public domain since the late 1980s. This is the ‘heroic’ information which anyone could find in any good public library - if anyone bothered to look.
When Snowjob fled the country, it was with his female Chinese handlers, and when he had outlived his usefulness to China, they give him the boot, so he fled to the Russian embassy.
What was stolen cost billions and lives to produce and more billions and lives to repair.
Some Hero. Right up there with Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen.
Apparently it does not matter what Congress knows or does not know—they are not acting.
However, Snowden is a hero to me—because he gave me actionable intelligence.
I now know that there is no privacy anywhere no matter who guarantees it—and can act accordingly.
Ed Snowden is an American hero of the greatest import.
He belongs on Rushmore.
But he is the textbook whistleblower.
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So were Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen
Snowden did not just provide general information—he provided great detail about how NSA spies on Americans (and the rest of the world).
I view him as a hero—because American citizens had a right to know about the many specific techniques used to spy on them.
Nonsense. Tell me exactly how Snowden could have "legally" revealed the anti-Constitutional, anti-conservative, pro-marxist surveillance activities and tools of the deep-state, and either 1) had any success, and 2) would have survived assassination.
What court could he have gone to? What "whistleblower" protection would he have survived? What deep-state Senator would have taken up his cause?
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