Posted on 10/01/2023 5:52:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber
So it looks as if Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., is just about to turn up the volume. It was bad enough for the Democratic establishment when he announced he was going to run for President on the Democratic ticket. Didn’t he know that The Committee already had its heir and a couple of spares, none of whom was named Kennedy? “Look at your poll numbers, Bro. Even against a senile and visibly failing puppet you are trailing by 50 or 60 points. Give it up now before you embarrass yourself further!”
No such luck. It seems that Kennedy is in for the duration. A couple of days ago rumors started circulating that he would soon announce that he was going to run as an independent. Several sources put the magic day as October 9.
As I have said elsewhere, I think Kennedy and Vivek Ramaswamy are—or at least were—the most interesting things to happen in the early stage of this campaign. Both are ferociously articulate. Both have lots of ideas. And neither is named “Trump,” the kiss of death among uniparty factota, Republican as well as Democratic.
According to my astrolabe, the glitter has dissipated somewhat from Ramaswamy. He is powerfully glib, has put forth many good policy ideas, but often seems like a reincarnation of the Energizer Bunny—if not, it pains me to say, that character in Humbolt’s Gift whom Saul Bellow described as “smooth as a suppository.”
In any event, I suspect that Ramaswamy’s presidential prospects, certainly for 2024, are gibbous waning.
And Kennedy? It’s hard to say. I like his forthrightness. And the fact that Wikipedia, that reliably left-wing fount of approved ideas, castigates him as someone who is “known for advocating anti-vaccine misinformation and public health-related conspiracy theories” tends rather to endear him to me than otherwise. I disagree with Kennedy quite strenuously about many things—the second Amendment, for example, the climate, taxes, and some of what he has said about vaccination. But the fact that he has, as Wikipedia sniffs, “targeted prominent figures such as Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, and Joe Biden” I regard as a public service.
Perhaps this is also the place to say a word about “conspiracy theories.” Have you noticed that the phrase is nearly always used with an aura of disapproval. It’s almost as if the people who employ the phrase to discredit someone whose ideas they dislike believe that there are no such things as conspiracies about which one might develop compelling theories. But when Calpurnia and the Soothsayer warned Caesar about a conspiracy to assassinate him, they spoke not idly but truthfully. Their theory, that is to say, was grounded in empirical fact. How about the theory that the Wuflu, aka Covid 19, originated in an American-funded Chinese lab whose experiments were overseen in part by Anthony Fauci. Was that a “conspiracy theory?” Or was it a conspiracy exposure? In any event, I think it is worth bearing in mind the extent to which the accusation that someone is a “conspiracy theorist” is often just a way of declaring him beyond the pale, not worth listening to, beneath our consideration.
Who knows whether Joe Biden the candidate will make it to the November 2024 election? I have been suggesting for some time that he wouldn’t. The consensus is solidifying that he is but one serious fall away from Golden Pond. Hence the sneakers, the physical training, the shorter stairs in and out of Air Force One.
But whoever heads up the Dem ticket in November—my money is on Gavin Newsom, with a small hedge bet on Michelle Obama—the entry of RFK Jr. into the race as an independent will act as a serious drag on the Dems. Maybe he will pick some POC female-to-male transexual to share the ticket and pander to the Dem base. But if David French is unavailable, the Dems could do something really clever and convince RFK to complete the ticket with some squishy, low testosterone Republican: someone like Mitt Romney, say. That would give the ticket the requisite “bi-partisan” window dressing.
But whomever RFK picks, his candidacy would peel off many more votes from the Dem ticket than from the Republican ticket. Let’s say, as seems very likely now, absent an act of God, that Donald Trump is the Republican candidate. There are some anti Trump fanatics who would vote for RFK, especially if he can boast some uniparty Republican puppet as a running mate. But for every vote RFK peeled off from the Republican ticket, he would peel off three or four from the Democratic candidate. In other words, he would assure Trump’s victory, a victory that I believe is becoming more and more likely with every passing week with or without RFK’s bid as an independent.
That, I know, is a minority opinion wherever the waters are full of AntiTrump and NeverTrump solvents. I am always interested to ponder the opinions of people whom I respect but disagree with. What are they seeing, I ask myself, that I don’t? In many cases, it saddens me to acknowledge, the answer is “lots of things.” But in this case, I suspect that there may be one or two things that the “Trump-can’t-win” contingent are overlooking.
One common theme in their argument is that the Democrats, those wily critters, have been building up Donald Trump only because they think he would be easier to beat than, say, Ron DeSantis or Nikki Haley (yes really). One even hears the name “Mike Pence” uttered in this context. I think that is a woeful misreading of the tea leaves. To stick with Ron DeSantis for a moment. Can anyone argue that he has run a compelling campaign? I agree that he has been an outstanding governor of Florida, but I think his campaign has been one misstep after the next, from his disastrous Twitter launch to his his grim performance in the debates.
Why are the Dems going hell-for-leather after Trump, saddling him with four preposterous sets of indictments in different locales? The Dems-are-Machiavellian-Geniuses faction says that it is because they know that each indictment strengthens the resolve of the Trump base, thus increasing the likelihood of his nomination, after which they will come down on him like a ton of bricks.
But I think that the ton of bricks has already been offloaded. No “grab ’em by the pussy” video clip, Russia collusion hoax, or conversation with Ukrainian politicians is going to shock the voting public. Trump’s millions of voters already know the worst. The Dems have been hammering him for some six years now, but to no avail.
Moreover, isn’t it possible that the Dems keep inventing things to indict him for not because they think he is the most beatable candidate but because they are terrified by his political potency and fear that, were he nominated, he might well win? That’s what I thought even before I heard that RFK Jr. was thinking about running as an independent. If that happens, I suspect that Trump will not only win but will do so while dealing a crushing defeat to Joe Biden or whatever puppet The Committee decides to put in his place.
RFK isn’t going to suck away the die hard Trump fans, but what he would do in a head to head race is win the independents hugely over Trump... and I say that as a Trump supporter.
Fortunately the Democrat establishment hate RFK Jr even more than then they hate Trump, so they will never let him be their nominee.
RFK Jr V Trump, RFK Jr wins handily, and I say that as a Trump supporter.
As an Indepedent, the assumption he will hurt the Dems more than Trump, I don’t think is as sure a thing as the media wants you to believe.
Watch the MSM.. that will tell the tale.
IF after the initial announcement dies down the MSM continues to cover RFK Jr routinely, then they have concluded that him being in the race harms Trump more than the D.. If however after the hoopla of the announcement the MSM returns to its current embargo on RFK Jr. they have concluded he harms the Dems more than Trump.
I would not conclude that RFK Jr. being an independent is a sure thing to help Trump.... Their messaging is VERY similar.. The Government is broken and not working for you, and I will work to fix it. They use different terminology and phrasing, but that’s basically their messaging, very very similar and RFK Jr. comes without the baggage Trump has that some voters do not like.
In a head to head race, Trump would be the underdog, the democrat establishment however hate RFK JR even more than they hate Trump, so no head to head race is going to happen they will NEVER let him be their nominee.
The common wisdom is RFK JR as an Independent hurts the Dems more, and if they stick with Biden, its easy to see why, their candidate is beyond weak... However, there are 2 things.. 1 no guarantee Biden will be their candidate, and 2 RFK Jr. will siphon off votes from both sides, if the dems do manage to dump Biden and get someone fairly strong, RFK’s net effect may well harm Trump more in the General than the D.
LIke I said in other posts, watch the MSM... if, after the initial reporting of him going Independent dies down and you rarely see any coverage in the MSM of RFK, then you know they have concluded he hurts the D more... if however they continue to cover him routinely after the I announcement cycle has died down, then they have concluded him being in the race harms Trump more.
“Suburban Women”, who dislike Trump’s marriages, alleged infidelities, and bankruptcies—but find Biden also unacceptable—will go to Kennedy.
(Having NEVER considered Trump.).
He'll corral some Republicans--De Santis and Nikki Haley voters and Never-Trumpers.
RFK Jr:
“I’ll leave you with three thoughts:
1. Any power that government takes from the people, it will never return voluntarily
2. Every power that government takes, it will ultimately be abused to the maximum extent possible
3. Nobody ever complied their way out of totalitarianism. The only thing we can do is resist.”
Bite your tongue!!!!
We don’t need Big Gretch getting more power.
When he says Michelle Obama might run, it kind of invalidates everything else he says.
But aren’t those the exact people who would find RFK jr. most distasteful?
—> DT’s only chance
Trump is more than an age.
He is now a symbol of:
• FREEDOM from government oppression
• REBIRTH of the American Dream for all and
• PROMISE of a better future for new generations.
Hispanics, black Americans, and younger generations have begun waking up to the destruction and enslavement of their lives.
We still have a year to go.
RFK, Jr. has some following on the alt-right because of his opposition to medical tyranny and to the Deep State. However, as long as Trump is in the race, RFK, Jr. will not have much traction with that group. However, if Trump cannot run for whatever reason, and the GOP establishment selects a 2024 version of McRomBush, there well could be a large shift of conservatives to RFK, Jr, due to his anti-establishment credentials.
—-> RFK II has a voice made for silent movies.
DeSanctus too.
Truman was supposed to lose in 1948 because Wallace was taking votes from the left of the Dem party and Thurmond taking the right of the Dem party.
If logic were to prevail, there would be no never-Trumpers. Emotion is king, though.
There are differing opinions.
I will watch how Liberal Media reacts to his announcement.
Will they Welcome Him or Trash Him?
That should tell us all we need to know.
A third-party candidate could be part of a cover story for unusual election results.
“Suburban Women”, who dislike Trump’s marriages,.....
Few Boomers would have any real nostalgia for the Kennedys. Those people were the parents of the Boomers, and they are all long gone. Not saying they don’t still vote in some democratic strongholds, but they are no longer residents of this mortal coil.
most articles say he would peel off republican votes
this is the first I’ve seen that he would hurt the dem vote
i like that he stood up to big pharma
but that is not a deciding issue for me
On most issues RFK Jr is to the left of Biden! He’s a very extreme environmental nut. Wants to prosecute fossil fuel energy executives for looking for fossil fuels. He has stated publicly that critics of the Global Warming Cult should be silenced if not jailed. The only issue where he is to the right of Biden is the one you pointed out.
My Take is this—My Ouija Board says: 1. Biden has a stroke and resigns (Soon) 2. Harris is made President (the first woman President) 3. She selects Hillary as her VP. 4. She is compelled to not run. 4. Trump is locked out of the GOP Convention after some controversial primaries (did he cheat?). GOP selects DeSantis who selects Nikki Haley as his VP (she’s a woman don’t you know?). Democrats select Hillary as presidential candidate with Stacy Abrams as her VP or Witmer. RFK jr. goes Libertarian and selects some Latina like Sanchez as his VP. Trump goes Reform and selects Kari Lake as his VP.
A Four way race like in 1860 winner? Who can say?
Is he more George Wallace, John Anderson, or Ross Perot?
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