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Planes Are Constantly Almost Hitting Each Other
Jalopnik ^ | 8/21 | Andy Kalmowitz

Posted on 08/21/2023 11:30:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway

The New York Times took a deep dive into FAA data on near-misses between planes. So, as it turns out, airplanes are nearly crashing mid-air far more regularly than anyone initially thought. After a slew of almost-crashes over the past few months, The New York Times decided to take a deep dive into the issue. In fact, there have been at least 46 close calls involving commercial airlines in the last month alone. These incidents have reportedly been highlighted in preliminary FAA safety reports, but they haven’t been publicly disclosed.

The outlet says that while there haven’t been any major U.S. plane crashes in over a decade, potentially dangerous incidents occur far more frequently than anyone has realized. Industry insiders say it’s a sign that the safety net is under “mounting stress.”

The Times says that so far this year, close calls involving commercial airlines have been happening — on average — multiple times per week, according to the outlet’s analysis of internal FAA records and thousands of pages of federal safety reports and interviews with over 50 current and former pilots, air traffic controllers and federal officials. For the most part, these incidents are reported happening near or at airports, and they are the result of human error. A big factor has been mistakes made by air traffic controllers, which are exacerbated by a nationwide shortage.

From The New York Times:

In addition to the F.A.A. records, The Times analyzed a database maintained by NASA that contains confidential safety reports filed by pilots, air traffic controllers and others in aviation. The analysis identified a similar phenomenon: In the most recent 12-month period for which data was available, there were about 300 accounts of near collisions involving commercial airlines.

The number of such near misses in the NASA database — which is based on voluntary submissions that are not independently corroborated — has more than doubled over the past decade, though it is unclear whether that reflects worsening safety conditions or simply increased reporting.

Aviation authorities have said that the U.S. air travel system — responsible for nearly three million passengers per day — is the safest in the world. However, current and former air traffic controllers have said in interviews that close calls were happening so often that they feared it was only a matter of time until some sort of catastrophic crash happened.

“Honestly, this stuff scares the crap out of me,” a longtime airline captain, who previously was a carrier fighter pilot, reported to NASA in November. An air traffic controller had cleared the pilot’s flight to land on what looked like “a collision course” with another passenger plane. (NASA redacts entries’ identifying details, such as the airlines and pilots’ names.)

“This has really opened my eyes to how the next aviation accident may play out,” another pilot wrote to NASA after a close call on a runway in January.

“Is it going to take people dying for something to move forward?” a controller wrote the same month after barely preventing a midair collision.

NYT says that the U.S. aviation network has long been safeguarded by an extensive network over overlapping technological and human safety nets. It’s commonly called the Swiss cheese model. Basically, if a problem slips through one hole in a layer, it will be caught by another.

Anyway, there is a lot more to this story than what I’ve laid out here. Be sure to head over to The New York Times for an even deeper dive into what’s causing these issues.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: airlines; airports; airtrafficcontroller; aviation; closecalls; collisioncourse
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1 posted on 08/21/2023 11:30:54 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Bookmark


2 posted on 08/21/2023 11:41:17 PM PDT by rdl6989 ( )
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To: nickcarraway

Well, how close is close? Maybe the limit is set too high, so that the normal practice is crowding it.

That’s my first thought.


3 posted on 08/21/2023 11:44:02 PM PDT by dr_lew2
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My first thought, thank God i have no reason to fly.


4 posted on 08/21/2023 11:46:18 PM PDT by exnavy (Grow your faith, and have the courage to use it.)
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To: nickcarraway

Hitting each other?

Plenty-o-FR posts have no shortage of intersectionality....


5 posted on 08/21/2023 11:48:58 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: nickcarraway

We should fly in large billiard balls.


6 posted on 08/21/2023 11:56:23 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: exnavy

Falling plane parts could always hit your house or wherever you are. No one is totally immune because they don’t fly. I don’t either and planes fly over my house. Could still get screwed over.


7 posted on 08/21/2023 11:57:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway
SO SCARY. Better stay home and leave the flying to the one percenters.

P.S. Big Sky, Lots of Sky.


8 posted on 08/22/2023 12:04:24 AM PDT by jdt1138 (Where ever you go, there you are.)
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To: exnavy
My first thought, thank God i have no reason to fly.

Well, me neither, so there you go ...

9 posted on 08/22/2023 12:04:57 AM PDT by dr_lew2
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> "...there were about 300 accounts of near collisions involving commercial airlines. The number of such near misses in the NASA database..."

So, are they "near misses" or "near collisions"???

10 posted on 08/22/2023 12:22:28 AM PDT by dayglored (Strange Women Lying In Ponds Distributing Swords! Arthur Pendragon in 2024)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Meteorites, volcanoes, earthquakes. You can worry, i make good decisions as much as possible, leave the rest up to God.


11 posted on 08/22/2023 12:40:43 AM PDT by exnavy (Grow your faith, and have the courage to use it.)
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To: nickcarraway

We need more diverse air traffic controllers. Diversity is our strength.


12 posted on 08/22/2023 12:41:42 AM PDT by Neanderthal ("Knowledge is good" - Emil Faber)
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Planes Are Constantly Almost Hitting Each Other

13 posted on 08/22/2023 1:05:53 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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As we experience declining demographics and an increasingly dumber pool of people in the population, statistically, it becomes more probable things happen such as planes crashing... ....and nuclear power plant melt downs. Just a matter of time.


14 posted on 08/22/2023 1:10:06 AM PDT by MachIV
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15 posted on 08/22/2023 1:10:33 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MachIV
As we experience declining demographics and an
increasingly dumber pool of people in the population...

Sounds like a plan.

...it becomes more probable things happen such as
planes crashing... ....and nuclear power plant melt downs.

Just a matter of time.

Just a matter of common sense.

16 posted on 08/22/2023 1:16:10 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: nickcarraway
In completely unrelated news...

The End of the All-Male, All-White Cockpit.

Airlines Are Trying To Increase Diversity Among Future Pilots.

United Airlines Sparks Debate With Pledge to Diversify Pilot Staff.

The pilots changing the face of aviation.

17 posted on 08/22/2023 1:24:39 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: philman_36

Just listen to ATC for a couple of days and you will hear the diversity and inclusion.


18 posted on 08/22/2023 1:34:24 AM PDT by jdt1138 (Where ever you go, there you are.)
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To: exnavy

Not worried. Just because you don’t fly doesn’t mean you can’t be affected by plane problems.


19 posted on 08/22/2023 1:52:44 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: nickcarraway

Check it out

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i1b8Sqm1o7A

Keep watching on this one
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KqeQo8ILs7k

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Q9n3lQKX-5s

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kMrffUjZhgc

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1OKkMuFBUXM


20 posted on 08/22/2023 2:24:06 AM PDT by Az Joe (Live free or die)
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