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France may soon overtake Russia as the world’s No. 2 arms exporter
France 24 ^ | 8 Aug 2023 | Gregor Tompson

Posted on 08/08/2023 6:22:46 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

Between 2018 and 2022, France’s share of the global arms trade increased to 11 percent compared with 7.1 percent over the previous four-year period, according to an annual Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) report published in March. In the same period, the Russian share of the international arms trade declined from 22 to 16 percent.

The war has been “a humbling showcase for Russian military technology”

Political considerations are also important, said Wezeman. “Since the beginning of the war [in Ukraine] India has been reluctant to increase or sustain military relations on a high level” with Moscow.

(Excerpt) Read more at france24.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: arms; deals; france; russia
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1 posted on 08/08/2023 6:22:46 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Do the arms come with a white flag in every container? Do they only fire blanks? 🤔


2 posted on 08/08/2023 6:28:24 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Aren’t the Russians buying attack drones from the towelheads in Iran?

What happened to the glory days of Kalashnikov?


3 posted on 08/08/2023 6:31:24 PM PDT by nascarnation (Let's go Brandon!)
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To: rktman

French weapons are of good quality. It’s their Gallic operators that come up short.

CC


4 posted on 08/08/2023 6:31:57 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

That is true. But the operators may be less at fault than their commanders. 🤔


5 posted on 08/08/2023 6:55:51 PM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉)
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To: Celtic Conservative

I would say that France has surpassed Russia some time ago, as for their weapons systems, pretty darn good, as to comments like white flag… the French military fought hard, the defenders at dunkirk made it possible for all of those to escape, many French who were saved returned to france to fight but were let down and betrayed by their leadership
I deployed with many French soldiers and have nothing but respect and I can tell you they respect the US soldier.


6 posted on 08/08/2023 6:57:09 PM PDT by blitz128
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To: DUMBGRUNT
"Russian share of the international arms trade declined from 22 to 16 percent."

Russia had a similar drop in arms sale after both times in Iraq. India dropping SU-57 development and no one committing to buy T-14 Armatas is not helping. Since the fall of the USSR, every few years the world keeps getting reminders of two key features of Russian weapons. Buying Russian weapons subsidizes Russian military operations. Second, the performance and quality of Russian weapons are not what they used to be.

7 posted on 08/08/2023 6:57:58 PM PDT by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Слава Україні! 🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni! 🇺🇦 ☭ No CCCP 2.0 ☭)
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To: nascarnation

“ What happened to the glory days of Kalashnikov?”
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You need to keep up. Kalashnikov is vastly expanding its domestic production of drones and implementing widespread improvements in their lethality and range.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/07/18/russia-boosts-production-and-displays-new-swarming-version-of-lancet-3-kamikaze-drone/?sh=727c5303aa20

“Russia Boosts Production And Displays New ‘Swarming’ Version Of Lancet-3 Kamikaze Drone”


8 posted on 08/08/2023 7:11:54 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’of )
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Money makes the 'arms trade' world go 'round....

The Wiki article, "Arms industry" has a sub-section listing "World's largest arms exporters."

We're number one, by a factor of more than four times the nearest competitor, with France and Russia vying for number two.

China, Italy, Germany, IK, Spain, Israel and Poland round out the top ten list.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry

9 posted on 08/08/2023 7:16:17 PM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: House Atreides

Likewise, I doubt arms exports is the top priority for Russia’s defense industry.


10 posted on 08/08/2023 7:17:32 PM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: blitz128

The French get a bad rap. They got destroyed in WW1 and were psychologically broken by WW2. I love how we laugh at them like we’re still some country of hardassed cowboys anymore. Some still are. Most are as soft as pillows. Can’t imagine having 1 let alone 2 major land wars on your own turf within 50 years, watching your sons and their friends get mowed down like grass in the first one and see how you come out the other side.


11 posted on 08/08/2023 7:40:22 PM PDT by MountainWalker ( )
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To: BobL

—”Likewise, I doubt arms exports is the top priority for Russia’s defense industry.”

It is 40% of Russias manufacturing exports


12 posted on 08/08/2023 8:25:41 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
The reason Russia is exporting less military hardware is because its needed domestically for the war in Ukraine.

If the French decide to wage war in Africa, they'll find that out for themselves.

13 posted on 08/08/2023 8:47:52 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: Widget Jr
Second, the performance and quality of Russian weapons are not what they used to be.

🤔🤔🤔


14 posted on 08/08/2023 8:51:51 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“The war has been “a humbling showcase for Russian military technology”

ROLFMAO!


15 posted on 08/09/2023 12:58:32 AM PDT by NorseViking
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To: BobL

It is not a matter of priority, but a matter of production capability and domestic need. I would highly doubt they have the excess capacity right now to export much of anything, however that does not mean they don’t financially have the need to. Very few weapons systems survive on domestic sales only. Economy of scale dictates that. F-35 is a prime example of that and with the large export market created the per unit cost has plummeted
Additionally the battlefield performance of some of their main export items have not been good, add to that growing arms industries in Turkey, France and esp South Korea, and the future prospects for Russian arms industry does not appear to be good
The two major sources of income for Russia were petro dollars and arms exports. Both are suffering right now


16 posted on 08/09/2023 3:58:50 AM PDT by blitz128
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“The two major sources of income for Russia were petro dollars and arms exports. Both are suffering right now”

Russia pays its combat soldiers roughly $32k a year right now, which is more than the US pays its soldiers. Where does that money come from? From their ‘suffering’ oil sales right now. As to arms exports, I’d say Bradley Square in Ukraine isn’t helping the US arms manufacturers.


17 posted on 08/09/2023 4:48:11 AM PDT by BobL (Trump has all the right Enemies; DeSantis has all the wrong Friends)
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To: BobL

Lol, if they see that 33k and I have 39 years in the military, out guys do much better than that and commanders don’t take half their pay

I would say US arms industry is doing just fine

As to petro dollars for Russia, the key is for Russia to still get oil to market just at a discount which is what is happening, where Russia is really hurting is refined products that market has collapsed and what they do sell is most likely at near zero profit so win win again

US has more Bradley’s abrams and Strykers than we know what to do with, Bradley’s and Strykers are being phased out.
So again win win


18 posted on 08/09/2023 6:35:45 AM PDT by blitz128
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