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The Battle of Gettysburg & the Big Lie of ‘It’s never been this bad’ – Terry Pluto’s Faith & You
Cleveland Dot Com ^ | 1 July 2023 | Terry Pluto

Posted on 07/01/2023 1:26:59 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

As July 4 approaches, do we care about things like the 160th anniversary of the Battle of Gettysburg?

Do we think much about America’s Civil War and that it matters, or we are too stuck in our own private and political civil wars?

After all, it’s never been “this bad” in our country? Don’t we hear someone in the media say that, every week ... maybe every day?

“At the doorway I saw a huge stack of amputated arms and legs, a stack as high as my head!” said Private William Southerton, age 21, 75th Ohio. “The most horrible thing I ever saw in my life! I wish I had never seen it! I sickened.”

(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.com ...


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19 November 1863.

"But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate, we cannot consecrate—we cannot hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract."

4 March 1865

"With malice toward none with charity for all with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right let us strive on to finish the work we are in to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan ~ to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

1 posted on 07/01/2023 1:26:59 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Dumb analogy. Minus the obvious Civil War, Constitutionally this country is about where it was in 1858.


2 posted on 07/01/2023 1:35:51 PM PDT by usafa92 (Donald J. Trump, 45th and 47th President of the United States of America!!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Abraham Lincoln suspended many rights, suppressed the freedom of press, and called upon federal volunteers to fight a war against fellow citizens.

Young men responded in droves to fight for the Federal Government then. Is there the same fidelity to the federal government today?


3 posted on 07/01/2023 1:38:27 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: Bayard

—” Is there the same fidelity to the federal government today?”

Do not overlook the Copperhead movement.

“During the stalemated “Phoney War” (October 1939 to spring 1940), public opinion in the US was strongly opposed to entering the war. A poll in March 1940 found that 96 percent of Americans were against going to war with Germany.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_World_War_II#:~:text=During%20the%20stalemated%20%22Phoney%20War,going%20to%20war%20with%20Germany.


4 posted on 07/01/2023 1:43:12 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“At the doorway I saw a huge stack of amputated arms and legs, a stack as high as my head!”

How many were black? Female?


5 posted on 07/01/2023 1:43:22 PM PDT by alternatives?
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To: DUMBGRUNT

On July 4th you should be focusing on the American Revolution - not the Civil War.

The basic premise of the article is spot on: The claim that “it’s never been this bad” is a Big Lie.

But the core of that lie is the false claim that systemic racism fatally infected our Founding and the Constitution.

The Civil war was tragic indeed, and there are important lessons to be learned from it. However, it is also a fact that the history of the Civil War has been weaponized to promote the Big Lie of systemic racism in our Founding.

The proper focus on Independence Day is the War of Independence.


6 posted on 07/01/2023 1:46:07 PM PDT by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

There’s your reparations right there. Paid for in blood.


7 posted on 07/01/2023 1:50:02 PM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

An equally important battle came to a close on the same day at Vicksburg.


8 posted on 07/01/2023 1:50:11 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again," )
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To: Bayard

Harry Turtledove has some “revised history” novels where the South won the war. They are usually series’ of books. In one series, World War I has a US front. North sides with Germany and South sides with France and England.

It’s not pretty.

Thank God North America is not broken up into small countries like Europe. Then again, I now see the US as 50 separate “mostly sovereign” countries, just like the EU. I avoid several of them due to their draconian laws regarding gun ownership and use.


9 posted on 07/01/2023 1:53:07 PM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: enumerated

A proper focus of July 1 is the remembrance of the 160th anniversary of a watershed moment in our history. July 4th, 1863 was momentous. Vicksburg fell and Lee was defeated.

July 4, 1776 remembrance is 3 days away.


10 posted on 07/01/2023 2:11:59 PM PDT by Adder (ALL Democrats are the enemy. NO QUARTER!!)
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To: enumerated

—”On July 4th you should be focusing on the American Revolution - not the Civil War.”

“History Doesn’t Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes”
– Mark Twain.


11 posted on 07/01/2023 2:15:06 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: alternatives?

White lives don’t matter.


12 posted on 07/01/2023 2:17:52 PM PDT by TTFlyer (Lenin: that by the infliction of terror, a well-organized minority can conquer a nation.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

>> public opinion in the US was strongly opposed to entering the war

Nothing a foreign invasion on a major US naval installation couldn’t solve.


13 posted on 07/01/2023 2:17:55 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: cuban leaf

—”There’s your reparations right there. Paid for in blood.”

Worth repeating.

And I would add ...blood AND TREASURE.

We should have picked our own damn cotton.


14 posted on 07/01/2023 2:22:02 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

slave state lee

is attacking Christian liberated Russia

via ukraine

slave state northerners

by the majority

are supporting them ( orcs - overlords )


15 posted on 07/01/2023 2:33:20 PM PDT by Firehath
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To: enumerated

Totally agree with you.

Except, just incidentally the topic of the article was based on Gettysburg, which unfortunately butts up against the Declaration anniversary.

So, indeed Independence Day should be about the RevWar, and only the RevWar if you ask me. Now, it’s not about WWII and Vietnam etc. sorry, it just ain’t.


16 posted on 07/01/2023 2:41:34 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Adder

Actually it finished July 3.


17 posted on 07/01/2023 2:42:19 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: Gene Eric

Brilliant.


18 posted on 07/01/2023 2:47:36 PM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

bkmk


19 posted on 07/01/2023 2:48:48 PM PDT by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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To: Firehath

General Robert E. Lee was an AMERICAN of great honor.

I say that and am not of the South, my ancestors fought for the North.
One of my elderly uncles told me. “But for a couple of miles and a river, we would have been heathens.”

You can post any BS, but good propaganda is fact-based and mostly factual.
Not total BS that you post.


20 posted on 07/01/2023 2:48:53 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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