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How Modernism Is Fascism
American Thinker ^ | May 28th, 2023 | Jeffrey Folks

Posted on 05/29/2023 2:05:10 PM PDT by ChessExpert

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To: Rurudyne

The difference between fascism and communism is roughly the difference between maroon and burgundy. It’s about half a baby step.

Mises, in his brilliant analysis of them, referred to “German socialism” and “Russian socialism.”

If you like classical music, call it “Variations on a Theme of Socialism.”


21 posted on 05/29/2023 3:02:28 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: Rurudyne

Giovanni Gentile, who was one of Mussolini’s chief advisors and essentially his ghostwriter, is basically the founder of fascism, and he argues that it is not only a form of socialism, but its most viable form.


22 posted on 05/29/2023 3:04:34 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: ChessExpert
Healthy minds accept the personal responsibility to maintain the well-being of themselves and their families etc.. This ensures a stable and productive society.

Diseased minds reject this responsibility and rely on a totalitarian government to provide the goods and services that their careless and nonproductive lifestyles would otherwise deny them. This is, of course, accomplished at the expense of the productive.

Whether seen in a fascistic or socialistic light, it's all totalitarianism to me.

23 posted on 05/29/2023 3:11:18 PM PDT by PerConPat ( A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.- Mencken)
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To: ChessExpert
The author is confusing the two types of modernity: early modernity (basically Machiavelli through our Founders) and late modernity (Rousseau through Marx and Lenin).

Late modernity rejects early modern liberalism but not its rationalism, so they seek a hyper-rational illiberal state, of either a leftwing or a rightwing variety. The leftists believe in a cosmopolitan, universal class structure that justifies any action to combat it including eliminating any "bourgeois" rights. The right believes that society can be perfected only through ethno-nationalism that also justifies any action including the suppression of "bourgeois" rights.

What's happening in the US is that the left has seized on "racism" as a useful cudgel to create an all powerful state while the oligarchs have realized that funding social communism gives them cover to continue looting the country. So the US has a confusing mix where the left appeals to ethnicity while the oligarchy is rewarded with monopolies and corporate fascist public-private cooperation like the Big Tech censorship programs.

24 posted on 05/29/2023 3:16:51 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: TBP

What fascism fundamentally does differently than pure socialism is that it leaves the running of industry etc in the hand of those more likely to have suitable skills rather than in the hands of political operators and other apparatchiks.

By definition that makes it more likely to survive as a system than the delusional true believers could manage.

But fascism is vile not for being the most moderate form of socialism but because it is a form of socialism in the first place.


25 posted on 05/29/2023 3:17:25 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: TBP

Fascism or socialism: a tone deaf kazoo band playing death metal very badly ... which is playing hardly matters.


26 posted on 05/29/2023 3:19:54 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Rurudyne

Communists and Fascists - Two rabid dogs fighting over the same bone.


27 posted on 05/29/2023 3:24:22 PM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Rurudyne

Nominally. But all the major decisions are in the hand of the state.


28 posted on 05/29/2023 3:32:16 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: pierrem15
Gertrude Himmelfarb wrote The Roads to Modernity: The British, French, and American Enlightenments which is a great study on the various avenues through the enlightenment the nations took. There is a kindle version for about seven bucks. Next to Chapter Four of Hayek's The Constitution of Liberty (https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/836099/posts) it is my favorite clear picture of the enlightenment differences.
29 posted on 05/29/2023 3:32:59 PM PDT by KC Burke (Diversity, Inclusion and Equity is not another way to spell GOD but it is a way to spell DIE.)
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To: dfwgator

“Anyone with a brain would understand that.”

HUH? :)


30 posted on 05/29/2023 4:26:49 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: TBP

Picasso was also a communist right? Eliot is really non-political, and for good reason. He did say that he was a monarchist. But what he was getting at is that he longed for a day when Europe was united as a Christian culture. He knew that was gone; and he give us a way to cope with that reality.


31 posted on 05/29/2023 4:57:22 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: TBP

That’s a good and interesting way to read those!

But do keep going with Eliot’s Christian era, and finish with Four Quartets.

The payoff will be immense.


32 posted on 05/29/2023 4:58:22 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: TBP

Four Quartets is....well it’s impossible to overstate or state accurately its importance.

It’s second only to the Bible for me.

And it is the perfect capstone/response/conclusion to all of Eliot’s life, thought and poetry which came before.


33 posted on 05/29/2023 5:00:14 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: sauropod
Socialism is the feudalism of the future Anonymous
Scratch a Marxist and you get a medievalist Nathaniel Branden
34 posted on 05/29/2023 5:49:30 PM PDT by Stepan12 ("...To the American gulag with this guy.and with the beasts of the earth.")
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To: ChessExpert

Modernism, in the form of modern architecture and abstract expressionist art wasn’t hostile to modern capitalism.

The modernism of Eliot may have picked up on some of the weaknesses of modern secular “bourgeois” capitalism, which led to what we have now.


35 posted on 05/29/2023 5:58:34 PM PDT by x
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To: ConservativeDude
My beaten-up hardbound copy of The Four Quartets, which is not in very good shape, is one of my prized possessions. I got it in college.

I find the poems very mystical, spiritual, and profound.

36 posted on 05/29/2023 7:24:28 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: pierrem15

Public-private partnerships re essentially and inherently fascist.


37 posted on 05/29/2023 7:29:15 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: ConservativeDude

The late Eric Mari Ritter von Kuenheldt-Leddihn also claimed to be a monarchist.


38 posted on 05/29/2023 7:32:17 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: Stepan12
Scratch a Marxist and you get a medievalist Nathaniel Branden

"Inside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out" —David Horowitz

39 posted on 05/29/2023 7:33:54 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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To: TBP
Yup. The wave of "privatization" that took place with contractors replacing government agencies or offices at DOD and many Federal agencies and in states created a tsunami of corruption. In many respects, with hindsight, it wasn't much different than what happened in post-Communist Eastern Europe, not only in the US but also the UK, France and Germany. And also both parties: look at how many Republican state officials feasted on the privatization of toll roads. Deregulation of airlines, telecoms, etc., just seems to have created new monopolies that managed to lobby to forestall any anti-trust activity.

So now we're stuck with the enormous dead weight of an administrative state working hand in hand with crony capitalist oligarchs.

40 posted on 05/29/2023 8:03:29 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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