Posted on 05/08/2023 4:30:17 AM PDT by george76
No. Rather, I am stating that I find it ludicrously distasteful to imply that God "needed" ringwoodite; that the "discovery" of ringwoodite somehow bolsters the Biblical narrative; that the story had been somehow "incomplete" up until now.
That is my opinion, and I never averred otherwise.
Regards,
No such illustrations have ever appeared in any halfway reputable textbook. Your memory is playing tricks on you.
Regards,
Are you kidding me?? It took me all of 5 seconds to prove it...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bVn04eJRjV4&pp=ygUZdGVjdG9uaWMgcGxhdGVzIGV4cGxhaW5lZA%3D%3D
Water in concrete is released by heat. Good thing there is no heat deep in the earth.
Where did the plants get the carbon?
Although titled "Plate Tectonics for Kids," it did a decent job of explaining Plate Tectonics.
The graphics were all right, but the narrator oversimplified a few things. For a children's program, probably OK.
In any event, there was never any talk or image in the clip indicating that tectonic plates are "basically floating on a molten inner core."
Rather, the clip correctly points out that the Earth's Lithosphere (crust - including plates - plus upper part of the Mantle, which can behave elastically in a geological time-frame, i.e., over thousands of years) - rests on the Asthenosphere, which is almost solid, but mechanically weak; which in turn rests on the Outer Core (liquid metal); which in turn rests on the Inner Core (solid metal).
The graphics in the clip (and in elementary school textbooks) frequently use orange and yellow for visual clarity - but that should not be taken to mean that the corresponding regions are molten.
Regards,
What are you insinuating? Don't be shy!
I have acknowledged that ringwoodite contains (a small percentage of) water. So, yes: It is, of course, possible to extract that water.
I suppose that heating might be one way to accomplish that.
Those deep regions of the Earth where ringwoodite is found are ALREADY hot. And yet they are NOT currently shooting up any "fountains" of water towards the Earth's surface.
So, don't be coy! If you insist upon an actual physico-mechanical mechanism for the Biblical narrative: Out with it! What physical process caused the (already hot) ringwoodite to suddenly release the water locked up inside it?
Regards,
You’re too smart to remember the basics...
What happens when you drop a rock in a glass jar full of water? A hand full of pea gravel?? A rock that just fits into the jar??
I can clearly envision voids and caves or caverns, areas small enough to support btheir openings. But area the size of the Pacific ocean??????? No ... No way...
You seem like the sort of fellow who would be familiar with Charles' Law and Boyle's Law.
So, don't be coy! If you insist upon an actual physico-mechanical mechanism for the Biblical narrative: Out with it! What physical process caused the (already hot) ringwoodite to suddenly release the water locked up inside it?
An increase in heat, a decrease in pressure or a combination of both.
What regulates the thermostat of our nuclear reactor core? I don't know. What regulates the pressure of the planet? I don't know, but I can surmise events that might effect them.
Perhaps the solar system passed through the path of a cosmic neutron or neutrino stream, and it provided just enough energy to cause the water contained in the ringwoodite to change states.
There were so many remakes of that movie, they couldn't help but discover an inner ocean. (I'm partial to the James Mason version.)
Jules Verne would've been proud.
For anyone who wants “to learn more….”
Imagine the pressure this stuff in under to pump into the ocean. It’s also 19 degrees warmer than the sea water. And the crack is pretty big.
Find a few of these and it destroys the “human cause” of climate change.
My point exactly!
Your sarcastic statement "Good thing there is no heat deep in the earth" implied that I thought there was no heat (or not sufficient heat) in the Earth to cause the ringwoodite to release water.
My point is that there was, indeed, not enough heat - else the water would have already been released.
So EXTRA heat would have to have been supplied or otherwise introduced.
Thus, the ringwoodite could have been already STONE COLD or VERY HOT. But it would have to have been in EQUILIBRIUM in any case. Some agency (e.g., God) then ADDED EXTRA heat, disrupting the equilibrium and causing the ringwoodite to release the water.
Again, my basic point: I don't understand why you folks prefer that explanation ("God miraculously introduced more heat, ex nihilo, thus causing the ringwoodite to release water") more comforting, more plausible, or more logical than a SIMPLER explanation like: "God miraculously introduced more water, ex nihilo."
You unnecessarily introduce an extra step (Occam's Razor).
Regards,
I don't understand your criticism - or don't understand why you are directing your criticism towards me.
What, specifically, is "no way" - but more importantly, when did I ever insist "Way!"? When did I ever mention anything "the size of the Pacific Ocean."
Please clearly state your objection (and refer verbatim to my statement you are criticizing), and I will respond to it.
Regards,
I'm not sure if you are referring to the "black smokers" at the bottom of the ocean, but my recollection is that they produce water at around 800 degrees.
Well the flaw in your logic is the presumption that this condition will remain at it's current point of balance. We know the earth occasionally releases heat in the form of eruptions, so there may come an occasion in which more heat drives that water out of the rocks under pressure.
It would most likely come out in the oceans (3/4ths of the Earth's surface) and rapidly cool back to liquid water.
So EXTRA heat would have to have been supplied or otherwise introduced.
Doesn't have to be heat. It could be a relaxation of pressure.
So let me ask you this. What happens when you have trillions of tons of ice covering much of the surface of the planet, and that ice suddenly ("suddenly" on a geological time scale) melts and relieves all that pressure beneath it?
Would it not have the same effect (Charles' Law) as an increase in heat?
Again, my basic point: I don't understand why you folks prefer that explanation ("God miraculously introduced more heat, ex nihilo, thus causing the ringwoodite to release water") more comforting, more plausible, or more logical than a SIMPLER explanation like: "God miraculously introduced more water, ex nihilo."
Well I can't speak for others, but I enjoy messing with atheists/agnostics. It is just another one of life's little pleasures for me. :)
I am thinking I might enjoy discussing the plagues of Egypt with you.
We started fencing if you will when you disagreed with my statement about tectonic plates, and, as a side note, I openly apologize for my lack articulation skills attempting to debate something. but in a last attempt to do so, my point is if there are moving areas of the crust on this planet, it is IMHO impossible for that amount of water to be down there where there is movement. If there is, it would be under an extreme amount of pressure that would actually send the earth out of it orbit if released in the right direction!! just sayin!!
Why would we need to posit that, apart from the original creation. Must God one act miraculously, versus using natural means He created?
If you do no believe that God is truly "all mighty," why not simply posit that energy created itself, and thus water, or that, like as a God, energy was eternally per-existent, creating an exceedingly vast, systematically ordered universe, exquisitely finely tuned for life with intricate astounding complexity, since such universe logically testifies to design, and requiring a First Cause, (at the least), that of a powerful force or being of supreme intelligence, being behind the existence of energy and organization of matter?
and at the lunar south pole
Could, be: but no - it’s gonna be FIRE the next time.
Genesis 9:11
And I establish My covenant with you: never again will a flood destroy the earth.
2 Peter 3:10
The day of the Lord will come like a thief—it will be a day on which the heavens will pass away with a rushing noise, the elements be destroyed in the fierce heat, and the earth and all the works of man be utterly burnt up.
From the bad, nasty gas that causes heating.
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