Posted on 05/08/2023 4:30:17 AM PDT by george76
Hmm - in reading the entire story from the Bible I have no idea why the writer of that article takes into account the various 7 days for the raven, another set of days for the dove and all of the other subsets of days to come to the number of days on the ark. The Bible gives the date for the beginning of the rain and it gives the date for when God told Noah to leave the ark.
Of course, Noah might have stayed a few more days on the ark to pack up. (I doubt it - stuck on a boat for a year with all of those animals and then - DRY LAND!!)
Interesting how Noah and others didn’t leave the ark until God told them to. Perhaps that is how Noah lived his entire life. He was given precise instructions on how to build the ark and the animals to bring. So Noah obviously trusted that God would tell him when it was safe to leave.
I wonder if his entire family was in total agreement with that way of thinking. Or it could have been:
“Dad - it’s barely raining anymore - and look at all of that dry ground! We can get out now!!”
I may walk back my stance on this issue just a smidgen... If the middle mantle is indeed many 10s of miles thick, then maybe!! Maybe! However, and I can't recall the name of the mineral that holds water and transforms into this ringwoodite . But the two articles I read about this deep water looking into this, BOTH say something that irritates(pisses me off) about today's science information outlets...
Both sources state that this deep water “helps form magma”!! Now short of the earth splitting the H2O and burning it so hot that it melt rock, or maintains the molten rock, how the hell is this even possible. Deep water helps form magma?? Really?? Can anyone explain this to me in layman’s terms!!??
Indeed. This old news (2014) of "Huge Underground Ocean" Discovered Towards Earth's Core" in ringwoodite "When a rock with a lot of H2O moves from the transition zone to the lower mantle it needs to get rid of the H2O somehow, so it melts a little bit," Schmandt said. "This is called dehydration melting.” After the rock melts, the researchers say, the water becomes trapped in the transition zone, creating a reservoir" under great pressure is not opposed to conditions of the ancient earth of Noah' s day in which "In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. (Genesis 7:11)
Simple answer: we didn't.
What has been found in the La Brea Tar pits?
Over 1,000,000 bones have been excavated from the tar pits since 1901.
Researchers have found remains of saber-toothed cats, dire wolves, bison, American cave lions, mammoths, giant ground sloths, invertebrates, fish, reptiles, raccoons, rats, bats, shrews, rabbits, and squirrels.
bingo
I shudda read ahead.
Freaky fondue fetish is frequently found in France; not Florida.
SciAm is not enough sci and too much woke for me since Hector was a pup.
Ha!
I saved myself some work by reading ahead this time!
That settles it!
Hurrah! Scientists have discovered something that is not necessarily in opposition to Biblical truth!
What a great argument to bolster one's own faith, or to convince doubters!
/sarcasm
I can only repeat: Overwought interpretations of half-understood scientific papers providing weak support for or at least not outright opposing established Biblical doctrines are of little to no use to anyone - and they represent a snare for people of faith.
Regards,
I am not a Geophysicist - nor do I portray one on tv!
But these statements might bother you less if you stopped thinking of water as a cool, clear liquid that can, e.g., quench your thirst or extinguish a fire. Because:
At these fantastic temperatures and enormous pressures, H2O acquires all kinds of weird and exotic physico-chemical properties. Under the conditions prevailing in the Earth's Mantle, H2O does not resemble at all the mundane liquid you know from daily experience.
So if such articles mention water "assisting in the formation of magma," etc. - just substitute in your mind "water" with "strange chemical substance X," instead.
Regards,
Burnt Up!
And So-Come Lord Jesus!
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Dress Appropriately.
My common sense is stronger than that!! Water is a liquid band no matter what the environment, hydraulic pressure is hydraulic pressure. And that pressure would be forced up, not down. The years of steam theory as a Machinist Mate in the Navy never once did I even get the hint that super heated steam melts rock. Never in my 60 years have I ever heard water in any state being flammable.
If I sound naive to you because, “there's no telling what forces and chemical reactions are in play down there”, then how the heck can they stayed as fact that water helps create molten rock??
How did I get in Your cat fight?
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I was just thinking...
Did I say Something Wrong?
LOL
As a sidebar
I believe Every ‘jot and Tittle’ and
Let every man be a liar...
What presumption!
I meant it tongue in cheek. It was an effort on my part to be amusing.
And as for your "elegant" solution. I am somewhat acquainted with what I believe is a common Christian philosophy of "free will." It is the belief that God conceals his existence so that people may choose to freely follow him rather than being intimidated into doing it out of fear, which would happen if God made his existence clear to people.
By making his existence appear uncertain, there is no coercion through fear to believe in him and follow the teachings he has laid out. I am told he wants people to follow him because of love, not because of fear. He wants their honest behavior, not one induced by fear of punishment.
With that in mind, the manifestations of God's acts are always explainable by other factors. About the only thing marking them as acts of God are the astonishing coincidences required for things to work out as they did.
The hallmark of God's works appear to be astonishingly unlikely coincidence, but they always must be events which people can perceive as not being the result of divine power.
Hence, your water "ex nihilo" violates what is believed to be God's methodology. It becomes a clear case of "magic" that leaves no doubt as to divine power, and thereby breaks "free will."
I don't intend to argue Geophysics with you (it was never my wish to argue Geophysics, in depth, with anyone here - rather, I am of the position that to venture into that territory at all in attempting to "explain" Biblical stories is unnecessary and fosters a wrong mindset).
That's a shame, because there are a lot of interesting Geophysics at work with the plagues of Egypt, and that was a topic I thought we might both enjoy.
And for what it's worth, Archeological evidence is continuously turning up which supports biblical accounts of events. Discoveries keep occurring that vindicates parts of the bible that speak of things of which we had no knowledge beyond what is written in the bible, and which many people believed were not real events or real peoples.
I used to keep up with such things in the past, but nowadays there are so many things to keep up with that I have lost track of many such articles i've read over the years.
I believe King David is one such example. No historical record of him existed until relatively recently.
In any case, I consider you to be a quite reasonable person.
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