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New research suggests drought accelerated empire collapse (Hittite)
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Posted on 02/09/2023 5:51:26 AM PST by FarCenter

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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
Thanks FarCenter, nice twofer. Blam, Sturt Manning.

21 posted on 02/09/2023 10:30:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: DannyTN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJF6xSpDdZs


22 posted on 02/09/2023 10:34:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: sphinx

Cline did a long Twitter thread yesterday on the significance of the Nature article:

https://twitter.com/digkabri/status/1623504832320442375?s=20&t=X67jvzvK1_7rwIlR4jgZ_Q


23 posted on 02/09/2023 10:53:37 AM PST by ameribbean expat (The object of life is...to avoid finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -Aurelius)
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To: SunkenCiv

Would that be the drought that caused the famine in Canaan and Jacob and sons moved to Egypt where Joseph was Governor?..............


24 posted on 02/09/2023 11:00:46 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: sphinx; SunkenCiv

I’ve seen various iterations of this talk and agree this one is pretty good summary and covers all the bases of his hypothesis.


25 posted on 02/09/2023 11:13:55 AM PST by wildbill (The older I get, the less the term 'life in prison" scares me)
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To: wildbill

Sure, but the hypothesis is dead wrong, as is his timeline.


26 posted on 02/09/2023 11:20:55 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Red Badger

No.


27 posted on 02/09/2023 11:21:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Before or after?...................


28 posted on 02/09/2023 11:22:18 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

This three year drought was long after.


29 posted on 02/09/2023 11:24:31 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: sphinx; FarCenter

Yes, this is a very informative presentation.


30 posted on 02/09/2023 11:52:24 AM PST by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: SunkenCiv; sphinx; wildbill

SunkenCiv, are you saying Eric Cline’s timeline is all wrong? If so, where and by how much? Does it affect his basic accounting of the “Collapse,” which seems to be well accepted by the academic community? AND, what exactly is Cline’s, hypothesis? To the extent he expounds a hypothesis, isn’t it simply that there were multiple causes of this great 12th Century BC disruption?

I have a general knowledge of this area of antiquity, however, my curiosity outweighs my knowledge. Your comments and opinions are wanted.

Oldplayer


31 posted on 02/09/2023 1:29:45 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: ameribbean expat

Good link. Interesting. Thanks.


32 posted on 02/09/2023 1:30:15 PM PST by FarCenter
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To: SunkenCiv

The Pago volcanic eruption at 1370±100 BC, is a possible cause of global cooling and drought. Although it appears to be too early, the dating is not very precise. It was a VEI 6 eruption with a volume of 30 cubic kilometers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pago_(Papua_New_Guinea)

Hekla in Iceland has also been proposed, but it is later, quite a bit smaller, and not near the equator.


33 posted on 02/09/2023 1:42:29 PM PST by FarCenter
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To: SunkenCiv

Nice.

That’s what I was thinking of when I said every state should have one.

There was one in Louisiana that we used to go to when I was young.

But I think the song was written about one in California. Not sure how many others there are.


34 posted on 02/09/2023 1:48:37 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: SunkenCiv
This one played next... https://youtu.be/Qt_yKPNORLM
35 posted on 02/09/2023 1:51:10 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: sphinx

thanks for this post. the book was great and i didnt know this lecture was out there


36 posted on 02/10/2023 7:06:39 AM PST by wafflehouse ("there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon" -Alice's Restaurant Massacree)
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