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Kansas Universities may drop algebra graduation requirement because students find algebra too difficult: Don't even mention Calculus
American Thinker ^ | 12/18/2022 | Eric Utter

Posted on 12/18/2022 10:11:12 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: bert

At my college we were givenbto option of statistics or linear algebra. I took statistics. That was in 2002


81 posted on 12/18/2022 11:51:31 AM PST by shotgun
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To: Gnome1949

“They will design future bridges, buildings, ships,...”

They will resort to soda submarines! Gotta have a tuff crew tho!


82 posted on 12/18/2022 11:56:06 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: kosciusko51
Equations require a knowledge of algebra. Trigonometry as well.<\i>

All of the equations we needed for the classes I mentioned were taught to us by our instructors in class as needed. That was my point.

83 posted on 12/18/2022 12:18:07 PM PST by fidelis (πŸ‘ˆ Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: kosciusko51
Equations require a knowledge of algebra. Trigonometry as well.<\i>

All of the equations we needed for the classes I mentioned were taught to us by our instructors in class as needed. That was my point.

84 posted on 12/18/2022 12:18:09 PM PST by fidelis (πŸ‘ˆ Under no obligation to respond to rude, ignorant, abusive, bellicose, and obnoxious posts.)
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To: fidelis

But even understanding the equations requires understanding the basics of algebra.


85 posted on 12/18/2022 12:21:48 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: SeekAndFind

It is a proven fact that people are naturally split between those who grasp “abstracts” in their brains, and those who do not, and cannot. For the former group, things like more complex maths and even sheet music are only normally hard; but for the latter group, they are just not mentally ‘wired’ to understand them. It is likely a genetic difference, and one or both mental wiring can happen even in the same family.

So trying to “beat” the understanding of abstracts into those not wired for them is just painful and cruel to them.

A good comparison are those people who have the gene that makes cruciferous vegetables, such as broccoli, taste horribly bitter to them. You cannot force them to like or appreciate such vegetables, even if they are made to eat some with every meal. G.H.W. Bush is one of them, and whether or not you like his politics, he was so traumatized by being forced to eat broccoli that he eventually banned it from the White House menu.

So what about requiring success in Algebra or Calculus in school to even graduate? It is just fine for those students who have the wiring for abstracts, but for those who don’t, though they might learn an instrument and music “by ear”, setting them down with sheet music they don’t know and asking them to read it and play it won’t work either.

Ironically, they might play their instrument very well, and there have been several top musicians who were blind, but they still can’t read the abstract of sheet music.


86 posted on 12/18/2022 12:58:58 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("All he had was a handgun. Why did you think that was a threat?" --Rittenhouse Prosecutor)
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To: Reily
...If you play cards, it’s an algebra!...

This is plainly not true. I know people who play cards as a child plays cards. Just placing a random one in front of themself.

Playing cards well requires both algebra and statistics.

87 posted on 12/18/2022 1:15:45 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave

Ok I don’t know what you mean!

In the first sentence you say, “A is not true!”
The second sentence you say “A is true! is but add statistics. That I agree with but it’s still subject to “algebraic rules” to use properly.


88 posted on 12/18/2022 1:45:23 PM PST by Reily
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To: SeekAndFind

As someone who always had a hard time with math, it seems to me that for the people who are likely to have careers in math and science, higher math is at least do-able, if not easy. And for the rest of us, algebra and calculus are simply useless in real life, so why make us suffer? At 71, I can’t think of a single time when I wished I’d taken calculus in college.

Meanwhile, my son - who graduated from MIT with a degree in Chemical Engineering - was doing calculus in grade school and it was a piece of cake for him (a good thing, as I was no help at all...)

I think brains are just different, and we tend to gravitate toward subjects and careers that align with our innate abilities.


89 posted on 12/18/2022 1:52:57 PM PST by LizzieD
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To: Reily
Possibly the best algebra book every written!

That book, Azimov's "Realm of Algebra," is barely available -- $57 for a USED copy. Those Amazon reviews are as positive as they could be.

Come on, Amazon, give us a low-cost Kindle edition!

90 posted on 12/18/2022 3:12:58 PM PST by TChad (Progressives are in favor of removing healthy sex organs from children. Conservatives oppose this.)
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To: TChad

I know!
If I had to guess, I bet the Asimov estate is the culprit.


91 posted on 12/18/2022 4:01:56 PM PST by Reily
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To: SeekAndFind

Kansas is supposedly a solid red state, but it’s mostly a RINO state.


92 posted on 12/18/2022 5:14:21 PM PST by rxh4n1
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To: SeekAndFind

I couldn’t get into the pre med Calculus with my schedule. So, I thought I’d take a second year engineering calculus that I could use for the calculus requirement. I got out with a “C” and was damn proud I got that. Most of the engineering students in the class handled it well but there were some having a harder time than I with it.


93 posted on 12/18/2022 7:15:01 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Reily

This one is pretty good for an overview of mathematics:

https://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-Nonmathematician-Morris-Kline/dp/0486248232/


94 posted on 12/18/2022 7:23:26 PM PST by kosciusko51
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