Posted on 12/14/2022 6:00:55 PM PST by Cathi
That is interesting.
Thanks for posting.
“Great article. Thank you for posting it. Someone posted here yesterday only 15,000 Russian soldiers have been killed. I was attacked when I said anyone with any partiality knows the figure is much higher. When someone asked for documentation I said why? It is no use even conversing with people who believe that figure. The thousands of destroyed Russian military equipment points to a much great number.”
Reality check, newbie propaganda peddler....
Russian casualties as of December 2: 9504
https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
Russian casualties as of November 18: 9001
https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng
‘Hundreds of mobilized, officers and airborne forces: what is known about Russia’s losses in Ukraine during the nine months of the war’
https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-63755790
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‘Ukrainian General estimates Kiev’s losses at hundreds of thousands since Feb’
https://tass.com/politics/1501881
“The average lifespan of a Ukrainian mobilized recruit now is approximately 10 days — from the time he is grabbed off the street to the time he falls on the battlefield.
Foreign mercenaries—which by and large have become regular Polish and Romanian (and other NATO countries’) troops masquerading as “volunteers” — loath the idea of being used as cannon fodder and behave as regular colonial expeditionary forces.”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/17146
“War and Regrets in Ukraine - at least 400,000 Ukrainian battlefield casualties including 100,000 soldiers killed in action”
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/war-and-regrets-in-ukraine/
In total, 343 airplanes and 183 helicopters, 2,655 unmanned aerial vehicles, 396 air defence missile systems, 7,087 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles,
930 fighting vehicles equipped with multiple rocket-launching systems, 3,684 field artillery cannons and mortars, as well as 7,582 units of special military hardware
have been destroyed during the special military operation.
“I was a Patriot missile Army Officer during my career in the Army. This seems like an expensive way to shoot down cheap drones unless they will use it to shoot down Russian cruise missiles.”
Very expensive way indeed.
Conversely, given my experiences, Patriot systems are sophisticated systems that require months of proper training. Ukrainians haven’t been trained to operate these systems as far as I know. If the US is sending these systems to Ukraine, then they are probably sending US/NATO troops (i.e.: as PMC Mercs) to operate them as well. Making this an outright US/NATO escalation. Yes?
That’s the problem these days. A cheap drone with a lawnmower engine can still deliver 1000 lbs. or so to its target...so you will need to shoot it down, with something.
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…and the entire U.S. defense industry is focused on expensive programs, because that’s where the money is. In many cases it seems the very concept of effective or reliable gets lost.
Yes. The U.S. Defense industry wins either way. If the Patriots are effective, they win. And if they are ineffective, they still win (they get paid anyway).
Gotta keep those defense bucks going.
Paid Russian propagandist. No one believes that 9600 dead Russian figure.
Tell it to the propaganda ridden pro0Ukrainian BBC, newbie propaganda peddler.......lulz
cranked:In total, 343 airplanes and 183 helicopters
Pretty amazing when Ukraine only started with around 200 operational planes
7000 tanks? Ukraine started with 900 + the few hundred given to them by other countries.
You would be believable if you gave at least reasonable stats
Dear newbie propaganda peddler.
You do realize that Ukraine has been receiving planes, tanks, artillery assets, air defenses, AFV, you name it from outside NATO/US/UK/West sources ON TOP OF WHAT THEY HAVE HAD ALREADY DESTROYED?
Them numbers include ALL THAT!
Hello!?!?
When you get some knowledge and understanding, come argue with me then.
Kthx.
“Paid Russian propagandist. No one believes that 9600 dead Russian figure.”
OK. Whats the real number then? If its not 9600, not 15000, what is it? Quit complainimg about propaganda if you are afraid to provide your own number?
You are playing games. If you dont know, say so! I have no idea what the number is. I tend to believe “hundreds of thousands of casualties” in Ukraine is probably as good a number as any without doing a headcount or a census.
Dont play this game. If you know tell us the number and where it came from. If not, say so, and say exactly why you are sure the number is bigger.
It may well be that the numbers are BS, but you are no less FOS by expecting someone to give you a number you like.
dumb retread
“…and the entire U.S. defense industry is focused on expensive programs, because that’s where the money is. In many cases it seems the very concept of effective or reliable gets lost.”
...and they won’t learn from this, when our Patriots get ‘swarmed’. They cannot learn, since they already know everything. They’ll simply say they need to build even more $3M missiles, and then they’ll plan on it...and then, as Bush Sr. did, when no one is looking they’ll cut back and back to spend it on ‘social programs’. That’s how we started with 132 B2’s, went down to 75 B2’s, and then to 21 B2’s (and now 19 B2’s due to attrition).
100k Ukrainians killed 100k Russians killed
If only 9600 Russians have been killed Russia would have already one the war. Why are Russians calling up 300k+ reservist and emptying out their prisons of murderers and rapist to serve on the front line?
The huge amount of confirmed Russian equipment destroyed tells the real number.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63580372
cranked: You do realize that Ukraine has been receiving planes, tanks, artillery assets, air defenses, AFV, you name it from outside NATO/US/UK/West sources ON TOP OF WHAT THEY HAVE HAD ALREADY DESTROYED?
Yes I am aware of that I said in post #30 Ukraine only had 900 tanks to begin with PLUS THE FEW HUNDRED OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE GIVEN THEM. You said 7000 tanks were destroyed by the Russians . That is nonsenical.
Here are the real figures:
900 tanks, tanks given to uk from other countries: US 45 refurbished T-72’s and 200 M113’s, 230 tanks from Poland, Czech and Netherlands, UK 120 armored vehicles + 14 Challenger tanks, Germany has given an undisclosed amount but since they only have 236 tanks in their entire military it cannot be a great amount.
The total above is 1279 tanks..Even if I add another 200 for round up purposes. Less than 1500. Far cry from the 7000 you posted have been destroyed by Russians.
As I said above at least post reasonable false figures if you want someone to to believe your false propaganda.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62002218
Hey retread, don’t ping me to your rantings. If you aren’t replying to me directly then keep your distance.
You said I was a dumb. Disprove my post.
You are a dumb retread. I mean look at how dumb you have to be to make demands for proof or to disprove any of your rants when you run and hide when those same demands are made of you. Of all the times I've called you a dumb retread, you haven't once denounced the retread part of that. Not once. Who were you before you rode the lightening?
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