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The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model: Why It Might Work and Options to Counter It.
Rand Corporation ^ | January 1, 2016 | Christopher Paul and Miriam Matthews

Posted on 06/06/2022 2:06:36 PM PDT by Widget Jr

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To: Bloodandgravy

Start with The Spanish-American War and work forward. This has been going on a long time. Today, with electronic media, it is more pervasive than ever.

As far as who does the most propaganda. Well I have never seen a news story in the US, of which I personally knew details, that was anything even resembling the truth. Basically everything you see is a lie or presented in order to create and influence opinion for some actor. Everything.


41 posted on 06/06/2022 4:12:12 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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This research was conducted in the International Security and Defense Policy Center of the RAND National Defense Research Institute.

Document Details:

Copyright: RAND Corporation
Availability: Web-Only
Pages: 16
DOI: https://doi.org/10.7249/PE198
Document Number: PE-198-OSD
Year: 2016
Series: Perspectives

Scholarly article {length but fascinating!}
https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html


42 posted on 06/06/2022 4:28:36 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com (et, so p )
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To: Widget Jr

Plenty of Russian propaganda right here on this site.


43 posted on 06/06/2022 4:29:45 PM PDT by roving (Blue Lives Matter More Than Children)
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To: Widget Jr

Actually, it sounds like a good description of how America’s Ruling Class’s information warfare proceeds:

* Multiple Channels - Yes (tv, radio, social media, government information, NGO propaganda, etc)

* Repetitive and continuous propaganda - Yes 24-7-365 for masks, vaccines, war in Ukraine, Jan 6, Russia hoax and really, anything else the ruling class wants to shove down our throats.

* No relation to objective reality - duh - Hunter’s laptop was russian propaganda and Trump colluded with the Russians.

* It’s OK to change your story in the blink of an eye. There’s no such thing as CRT. Well, ok, CRT is not taught in the schools. It is? Well, CRT isn’t bad or racist. etc etc etc on any issue.

Bluntly, Russian propaganda is easier to see and ignore because it is so obvious and heavy handed. American propaganda is much better designed and delivered. You want proof? It has most Americans believing they live in a country where the rulers require the consent of the governed.


44 posted on 06/06/2022 4:40:21 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: roving

Ukraine is America’s next Vietnam. Totally avoidable war.


45 posted on 06/06/2022 5:32:37 PM PDT by blackberry1
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To: Widget Jr

“Lacks commitment to objective reality
Lacks commitment to consistency.”

Just LOL. RAND obviously has no shame.


46 posted on 06/06/2022 6:44:59 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Widget Jr

A number of posters on this very board hit several of these checkboxes, don’t they?


47 posted on 06/06/2022 6:51:34 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: bte

Your post is not responsive to the material presented.

Erk.

But thanks for coming along and substantiating what was posted.

спаси́бо!


48 posted on 06/06/2022 6:53:42 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

How many times are you going to trot out the ‘threat of nuclear war’? It’s tiresome and unless Russia wants to commit suicide it’s not going to happen.


49 posted on 06/06/2022 6:54:53 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: mac_truck

The Russian media >> IS << always worse. Even the Russians joke about it:

“In Izvestia there is no Pravda and in Pravda there is no Izvestia”

(’Pravda’ means truth. ‘Izvestia’ means news.)


50 posted on 06/06/2022 6:59:19 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: NorseViking

Your pointless insult actually reinforces the former point:

“Lacks commitment to objective reality”


51 posted on 06/06/2022 7:00:24 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: blackberry1

“Ukraine is America’s next Vietnam. Totally avoidable war.”

The USA is not trying to invade Ukraine. Russia is. And the bodies of soldiers being abandoned in Ukraine are Russian, not American.


52 posted on 06/06/2022 7:02:31 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: MercyFlush

Sure, everything not towing the approved line is a Russian propaganda. Even if it calls spade a spade.


53 posted on 06/06/2022 7:03:10 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: ModelBreaker
#44. Please see my post #9.

The U.S. news media stinks. The Russian news media stinks worse. In the U.S. the truth still gets out and people can talk about it. In Russia the State Run news media is a caricature and speaking out against the invasion is a crime in Russia.

54 posted on 06/06/2022 7:07:34 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: NorseViking

Again, you’re going off topic and proving the point of the article.

How about you actually address the points of the article instead of trying to change the subject?


55 posted on 06/06/2022 7:09:26 PM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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To: MercyFlush

I actually did. The point of the article is to criminalize whatever deviates from the approved narrative. In short, to silence the truth. Remember, Hunter’s laptop was a Russian propaganda, until it was not.


56 posted on 06/06/2022 7:19:44 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: lonestar67

“It’s. Amazing how many apologists for Russian propaganda we have here at. FR.”

It’s. Amazing how many apologists for Ukrainian/Biden/GloboHomo/Soros propaganda we have here at FR.


57 posted on 06/07/2022 1:56:21 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm up! They Have!)
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To: Lurker

Add to this the nonsense that invader Putin is justified trying to take over Ukraine due to NATO, when in reality it is his invasions, threats, and boasting that serves to justify NATO. However, the reality that the Western Left supports Ukraine since it cannot sign Putin as a team player (even Communism does not go far enough, and is seen as competition for world dominion) serves to help Putin obtain support. But both the Left and Putin are anti-Christ.


58 posted on 06/07/2022 5:06:20 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him who saves, be baptized + follow Him!)
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“ Add to this the nonsense that invader Putin is justified trying to take over Ukraine due to NATO, when in reality it is his invasions, threats, and boasting that serves to justify NATO.”

Putin is much like an abusive spouse. He makes threats, acts out violently, and when confronted says “you made me do that!”

For over 75 years Russia held half of Europe in abject slavery to a hideous political system that imprisoned and murdered opponents wholesale, not to mention threatening the West with nuclear annihilation.

When those countries finally shook off their yoke and decided it wouldn’t happen to them again Putin called it a tragedy. Since then he’s invaded 2 sovereign countries in illegal wars of conquest.

Not to mention the fact that his merry band of gangsters has been raping the Russian people to enrich themselves beyond their wildest dreams for decades.

The above in NO way constitutes an endorsement of the Ukrainian government. Their corruption differs only in scale. Nor does it mean I approve of handing tens of billions of taxpayer dollars over to them. I don’t. If the Ukrainians want our weapons they can pay cash for them.

But If Russia wants the war to stop all they have to do is go home.

That’s it. Pack up their **** and leave.

But for some reason a whole bunch of, I thought anyway, freedom loving Freepers have cast their lot with the Russians because there may or may not have been a few hundred or even a few thousand neo-Nazi goofballs running around.

I don’t believe a word that’s coming out of anyone about this entire disgusting affair. And that includes our government. It’s all lies.

L


59 posted on 06/07/2022 5:24:03 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: NorseViking

Try again. Nothing in the article deigns to criminalize speech. However, it does point out recurring patterns in the postings of Russian trolls.

I’ve noted the same things myself:

When you weigh in on a post with an opinion or facts that counter the troll’s designated narrative their two most favored tactics to distract you are these:

1. On off topic response typically coupled with confrontational questions whose intent is to get you arguing about anything other than the topic on hand.

2. The irrational insults. As we see above the trolls like to use unprovoked insults to get you off topic. Sometimes the insult is little more than drive-by provocation, sometimes it’s an insult designed just for you especially if the troll reads your home page and finds a soft spot they can poke at.


60 posted on 06/07/2022 9:02:45 AM PDT by MercyFlush (☭☭☭ Soviet Russia must be destroyed. ☭☭☭)
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