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Did Jimi Hendrix invent heavy metal on 'Spanish Castle Magic'?
Far Out Magazine ^ | December 30, 2021 | Mick McStarkey

Posted on 12/31/2021 9:15:33 AM PST by DoodleBob

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To: DoodleBob

I’d agree with Black Sabbath.

Honorable mention:

Talk, Talk- The Music Machine

Keep Me Hanging on-Vanilla Fudge

Center of Your Mind-Amboy Dukes

Hush- Deep Purple

Blue Cheer


61 posted on 12/31/2021 10:22:05 AM PST by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: Huskrrrr

I should have also stated-IMHO


62 posted on 12/31/2021 10:24:52 AM PST by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: dfwgator
"I’m with you on this. Dave Davies doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves for changing the sound of R&R forever."

And I'll thrown in a word for Animals guitarist Hilton Valentine, who passed away last summer. His opening arpeggio to "House of the Rising Sun" was one of the classic riffs in rock history. And his dramatic opening riff to "It's My life," with kind of a Middle East vibe, told you that "this is a song with a message." And the twangy guitar break on "I'm Crying," along with the rapid chording throughout.

And he also did some great work on some album songs, such as their cover of John Lee Hooker's "I'm Mad Again" and "Dimples."

He wasn't a virtuous like some of these other names that are being mentioned, but he had a knack for making a kind of statement.
63 posted on 12/31/2021 10:25:10 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: reagandemocrat

I’m also good with Blue Cheer. What’s your thought on Mott The Hoople or Humble Pie in regards to this? The timing might be a little off, but they definitely contributed to heavy metal. Of course, Black Sabbath is our influence, broadly, for our realm. And hat tip to my bro Lemmy too.


64 posted on 12/31/2021 10:25:42 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay Metal)
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To: reagandemocrat

Kick-em-out...


65 posted on 12/31/2021 10:26:25 AM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: ratzoe; Mr. Mojo

“Rumble,” Link Wray, 1958. The first intentionally distorted guitar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuAD_sQUgpw

In music historian circles this is the accepted seminal heavy metal song.

Black Sabbath, Geezer Butler is Heavy Metal?

“Butler is an avowed vegan and appeared in an advertisement for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) in 2009.”


66 posted on 12/31/2021 10:27:09 AM PST by SaxxonWoods
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To: Drew68

Yep, a nod to Jim Marshall along with Pete Townshend for the equipment. Townshend pushed for 100 watt amps. Townshend also had Marshall build 8x12 speaker cabs, but roadies balked at trying to move them, thus the Marshall stack of two 4x12 cabs was born. Of course Townshend would later move on to Hiwatt gear, but he used Marshall equipment in the beginning.


67 posted on 12/31/2021 10:28:55 AM PST by Roadrunner383 (;)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

I think Sabbath gets the nod, because they tended to be more dark, than just signing bluesy songs about being cheated on. And so it seems to be “Heavy Metal” is to do songs about heavy subjects.

For example, that’s why I would have been hard-pressed to ever call Van Halen “Heavy Metal”, even though for sure EVH had a lot of metal influence in his playing, but I would just classify it as “hard rock”.


68 posted on 12/31/2021 10:31:23 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: DoodleBob
Well, there s a difference between originating a sound and founding a genre. If metal is deemed to have started with a distorted guitar sound, then Blue Cheer/Hendrix/Sabbath are the progenitors.

But Metal really coalesced into a genre after Motorhead came out - and advanced into its own during the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal (NWOBHM, as it is known) - Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Saxon, etc. Metallica, who I had the privilege of seeing live several times in their very early San Francisco days, then became the leading band in trash/speed metal, and along with their peers Megadeth, Slayer, Exodus, and Anthrax refined the metal genre into the familiar sound that still persists today.

Today "metal" encompasses everything from symphonic metal performed by brilliant musicians to Hardcore with Cookie Monster vocals and guitarists who sound like they first picked up the instrument the day before the recording. I kind of checked out of following the genre when Cookie Monster became the default for newer bands - turn on Liquid Metal on Sirius XM at any random time for an example. But there are still some great bands out there, under the radar.

69 posted on 12/31/2021 10:33:55 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: DoodleBob
The first heavy metal tune was Space Guitar by Young John Watson, aka Johnny "Guitar" Watson, from 1954.
70 posted on 12/31/2021 10:36:09 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: DoodleBob

” sludge and stoner metal “

?????


71 posted on 12/31/2021 10:42:05 AM PST by doorgunner69 (Let's go Brandon)
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To: DoodleBob

It’s an interesting period in rock and roll. Partly because the genre labels were getting assigned after the fact by the press, the people making the music really weren’t thinking in those terms. The general consensus is that the psychedelic movement really spawned a great expansion in what rock could be. It broke away from the 2:40 3 verses with choruses and a solo structure and just did whatever. Jimi was kind of in the psychedelic movement, in so far as he got away from the structures.

Psychedelic faded out fast but it spawned 2 things. In the London area where you had classically trained musicians you got progressive rock. Taking this freedom into longer wider forms, borrowing from classical and jazz. In the north where you had less “educated” musicians things got loud, metal.

But what was first for what? Who knows. Certainly plenty of Jimi’s stuff showed the way for metal. But of course we can’t discount Dave Davies putting distortion, arguably the most important single sound in hard rock, in years before.

And we have to remember that the band largely credited with creating the genre, Black Sabbath, generally insist that they were never a metal band. When they’re in a good mood they’ll often admit how much metal took from them but as far as they’re concerned they didn’t make metal. They made loud music they liked. And in a fun indication of how close metal and prog really are Sabbath even has songs that have “including” in their title, which is usually the dead give away of prog.

So who knows. Just have fun with it.


72 posted on 12/31/2021 10:49:05 AM PST by discostu (Like a dog being shown a card trick )
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To: DoodleBob
Reefer Head Woman by Jazz Gillum & His Jazz Boys (1938) is a forerunner of the heavy metal sound, with an electric guitar solo--one of the first ever--by a teenaged George Barnes at the start of his spectacular career as a guitarist.
73 posted on 12/31/2021 10:49:40 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: reagandemocrat

I’m with you on Blue Cheer. I have the original Highs of the 60s album with a number of songs that fit the category. Black Sabbath probably wins the title.


74 posted on 12/31/2021 10:59:25 AM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: rockrr

im talking dive bombs...volume...feed back.....


75 posted on 12/31/2021 11:03:40 AM PST by basalt (exas)
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To: nonliberal

saw them opening up for Ozzy and Randy Rhoads at the Masonic Temple Theater in Detroit...1981...i think they could be heard in Toledo that night...


76 posted on 12/31/2021 11:12:22 AM PST by basalt (exas)
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To: dfwgator

or “pop metal”...


77 posted on 12/31/2021 11:14:14 AM PST by basalt (exas)
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To: DoodleBob
Nope.

Edvard Grieg did it in Peer Gynt.

"In the Hall of the Mountain King" is heavy metal.

78 posted on 12/31/2021 11:17:12 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (add a dab of lavender in milk, leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing with it)
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To: Roadrunner383
Of course Townshend would later move on to Hiwatt gear, but he used Marshall equipment in the beginning.

Townshend allegedly moved on to Hiwatt after a billing dispute between Marshall and The Who's management.

That's one story, anyways.

Interesting thing about Townshend's Hiwatts is that he had his amp technician take all of the tone controls out of the circuit, so there was pretty much nothing working except the volume knob, nothing to degrade the signal between the guitar and the amp's power section.

I have a Gibson Les Paul with a similar feature. If you pull up on one of the tone knobs, it takes all four of the knobs out of the signal chain, adding a noticeable bit of boost to the output. Great for solos.

79 posted on 12/31/2021 11:22:26 AM PST by Drew68 (Ron DeSantis for President 2024)
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To: Brasky

It was Black Sabbath.
It was only Black Sabbath.
The term was coined by a reporter referring to Black Sabbath.
“At first there was...but this guy...on this album...”
No, it was Black Sabbath.


80 posted on 12/31/2021 11:23:22 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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