Henry VIII's SEVENTH Wife?! - The Story Of Katherine Willoughby

YouTube ^ | April 1, 2021 | TheUntoldPast

[mware]

That 6th wife was quite the piece of work. 17 years old. Felt sorry for the guy that was hung, drawn and quartered. Poor bastard, he died hard.

[mass55th]

"Yeah, it’ll be “books?” the same way it is now “78 rpm?” or “dial telephone?”

Or "cursive writing?" One thing I learned doing historical research in this country, is that if you don't know how to read and write cursive, you won't be able to read any of the documents that were created before the typewriter was invented. And I'm sure kids today even say "typewriters?"

[SunkenCiv]

I had to explain typewriters to someone in their 20s sometime during this calendar year. :^)

[wardaddy]

Largely....I’m not convinced she was completely innocent...

[wardaddy]

Yes...precisely

[wardaddy]

👍

[wardaddy]

Rare is a poster here that admits when wrong

Well done

[mass55th]

"I had to explain typewriters to someone in their 20s sometime during this calendar year. :^)"

Un-freaking-believable.

[SunkenCiv]

None of the charges against her were true, so, she was not guilty. Innocence is something else.

[Guenevere]

Later

[Guenevere]

She certainly hastened the execution of Thomas More, and others.
Her execution might be considered today as......Schadenfreude

[SunkenCiv]

More did more to hasten the execution of Thomas More than did anyone, apart from the executioner.

[SunkenCiv]

They also don’t remember dot matrix printers too well, or ribbon re-inkers for same. :^)

[Guenevere]

More was not innocent either, but she hastened his execution.

[SunkenCiv]

Cool.

[wardaddy]

You dont know that.....can’t say it with authority

She may not have screwed her brother but she may have dallied with the creative guy

It’s like the wee princes..it looks bad but who knows if KR3 actually ordered it

[SunkenCiv]

You dont know that.....can’t say it with authority.

Right back at you. Thomas Cromwell arranged a drumhead trial, wiped out most of the Boleyns, and ironically set the clock ticking on his own fall for his very real corruptions, after everyone else at court realized they could be next.

[TontoKowalski]

Yes, in the end, Cromwell was so distrusted and despised that he had no defenders.

The Anne of Cleaves debacle provided the opportunity for his enemies to rid themselves of him.

Unrelated: Anne of Cleaves is my favorite of the wives. She's the only one who came out anything close to a winner. She could figure out which way the wind was blowing, and adjusted her views and conduct in a way that kept her alive and mostly prosperous. In fact she was quite popular.

[wardaddy]

That’s the point..no doubt Cromwell felt she was a liability to himself by that juncture

But it’s all speculation now

And scholars who study the body of evidence available today opinions tend to shift with cultural wind

Today with feminism and more specifically #metoo sentiment so called experts look at that Boleyn woman with a hoped for outcome they seek to justify

[SunkenCiv]

It's not all speculation now. Thomas More was struck down because of actual things he actually did. He wasn't executed for stuff he'd done earlier, such as burning people at the stake.

There are essentially no scholars who buy into the line of BS Cromwell cooked up to eliminate the main obstacle to his policies and intrigues. The rejection of the bogus charges came about long, long before the faddish "metoo".

Cromwell was struck down because he pissed off Henry VIII by ramrodding the Anne of Cleves marriage, but those were not the charges.

The reason we have a better legal system now is because trials were inherently unfair for thousands of years.