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Hydrostor Advancing Long Duration Energy Storage in California (Compressed Air Grid 'Battery')
Hydrostor ^ | 4-29-21 | Hydrostor

Posted on 05/09/2021 4:51:37 PM PDT by dynachrome

Company Developing up to 10GWh of energy storage in state using its patented A-CAES technology.

Advanced-Compressed Air Energy Storage (A-CAES) is a long-duration energy storage system that combines components from existing energy systems to create an advanced, emissions-free storage system that is low-impact, cost-effective, and can be located where the grid needs it. This innovative use of proven technologies provides a scalable, reliable and bankable energy storage solution for utilities and regulators.

(Excerpt) Read more at hydrostor.ca ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: battery; california; china; compressedair; elonmusk; landfills; tesla
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I am an ignoranus on stuff like this, but it does not seem to pass the smell test. Compressed air?
1 posted on 05/09/2021 4:51:37 PM PDT by dynachrome
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To: dynachrome

Compressing air takes energy that can be released when the air decompresses. I read about another storage mechanism that heats vast bins of basaltic pebbles and then generates electricity with that heat. Glad folks are thinking outside the battery box.


2 posted on 05/09/2021 4:53:37 PM PDT by dirtboy
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There is a man made lake on route 30 in NY for energy storage.

During off peak hours, water is pumped up to it.

During peak hours, water from the lake is run h=through turbines to produce electricity.

3 posted on 05/09/2021 4:56:24 PM PDT by Mogger
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To: dynachrome
I am an ignoranus on stuff like this, but it does not seem to pass the smell test. Compressed air?

Why not? I've seen some cars online that run on compressed air.

Here are some.

4 posted on 05/09/2021 4:56:45 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the left, truth is right-wing extremism.⭐⭐)
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To: dynachrome

Watt’s[sic] the round trip efficiency?


5 posted on 05/09/2021 4:58:31 PM PDT by Paladin2 (CAPILITAZATION? Don't ask.....)
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To: dynachrome

All I know is, compressed air is terribly inefficient in factories and such. High energy conversion losses, both ways.


6 posted on 05/09/2021 5:01:56 PM PDT by polymuser (A socialist is a communist without the power to take everything from their citizens...yet.)
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To: Paladin2

All in, my guess is <10%


7 posted on 05/09/2021 5:03:31 PM PDT by Kickaha (See the glory...of the royal scam )
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To: TangoLimaSierra

I remember those, but this is supposed to be some sort of battery. Drop it and it’s like an airbag going off?/sarc


8 posted on 05/09/2021 5:04:07 PM PDT by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Mogger
During off peak hours, water is pumped up to it.
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During peak hours, water from the lake is run through turbines to produce electricity.

The system of lakes and dams on the Salt River in Arizona does exactly that.

Makes for some fun rides in the summer, tubing down the Salt.

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9 posted on 05/09/2021 5:04:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (THE ISSUE IS NEVER THE ISSUE. THE REVOLUTION IS THE ISSUE.)
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To: polymuser

Takes a lot of power to compress air. The factory I worked at had big problems if the compressor room went down.


10 posted on 05/09/2021 5:06:49 PM PDT by dynachrome ("I will not be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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Yeah ... and Brilliant Light Power has another demo on the 19th and 20th of this month. Should be interesting. Perhaps they will demo a turbine-driven electric generator at 150 kW (electric) this time.


11 posted on 05/09/2021 5:07:32 PM PDT by _Jim (Save babies)
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“...electricity, all of which is sent to New York City.”

Well, THERE’s your problem right there, lady.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blenheim%E2%80%93Gilboa_Hydroelectric_Power_Station


12 posted on 05/09/2021 5:08:05 PM PDT by Paladin2 (CAPILITAZATION? Don't ask.....)
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To: Kickaha

There is still time to get in on my high-tech start-up though. It’s called Sun Wind Deliverance Yay! Just PM me with your banking info and how much you want to invest and I’ll get right back to you. the nickname for the company is SuWinDelYa.


13 posted on 05/09/2021 5:10:57 PM PDT by Kickaha (See the glory...of the royal scam )
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To: Kickaha

Solindra, is dat U?


14 posted on 05/09/2021 5:20:36 PM PDT by Paladin2 (CAPILITAZATION? Don't ask.....)
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To: Mogger

We have one near here, pump storage called Bear swamp. Air compression technology is very inefficient IMHO.


15 posted on 05/09/2021 5:26:22 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged )
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To: dynachrome

Compressed air storage has been used in Germany for decades. They used abandoned salt mines.


16 posted on 05/09/2021 5:28:44 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Diana Moon Glampers for Secretary of Education! )
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To: dynachrome

Sure but that’s not a parallel situation if your primary goal is to time shift energy production and consumption. If you have lots of excess wind power during times of low demand it doesn’t matter if the storage mechanism is inefficient, as long as allows you to store energy til it’s needed.


17 posted on 05/09/2021 5:39:59 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: dynachrome

When Musk hits $56 per KWH storage cost, as he projects, and terawatt level of production; that will end compressed air, tidal, flow battery, fusion reactor and other electric generation happy talk.


18 posted on 05/09/2021 5:40:14 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: dynachrome

It is kinetic energy. EXTReMELY expensive to compress air for storage later.

But since ‘we’ can’t build dams and store energy in reservoirs I suppose compressed air is sensible to the green sycophants. It is more expensive and easier for politicians to grift off the system.


19 posted on 05/09/2021 5:45:42 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: Mogger

water storage
Yup, about as simple as you can get.

you can use heavy rotating mass as well

Very few people listened when I said Liquid Organic Hydrogen Storage, but finally people are starting to do so.

Soon you will see these plants everywhere taking excess energy splitting it into hydrogen and storing it in a stable at normal temperature liquid form

https://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/07-Schmidt-Liquid%20Organic%20Hydrogen%20Carriers.pdf


20 posted on 05/09/2021 5:47:09 PM PDT by algore
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