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How a Wave of Electric Trucks Could Create Millions of ‘Accidental Environmentalists’
WSJ ^ | 24 April 2021 | Christopher Mims

Posted on 04/24/2021 6:21:22 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

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To: DUMBGRUNT

An Electric Truck would be stupid. I use a truck to tow a trailer and haul things, not to showoff how much money I have. If it had a 300 mile unloaded range, the loaded range would be about 100 miles pulling a 8K lb trailer.

A Diesel electric hybrid truck would be cool. An Electric truck would be stupid.


21 posted on 04/24/2021 6:58:54 PM PDT by UNGN
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To: DUMBGRUNT

not all recycling processes are the same:

Smelting: Smelting processes recover basic elements or salts. These processes are operational now on a large scale and can accept multiple kinds of batteries, including lithium-ion and nickel-metal hydride. Smelting takes place at high temperatures, and organic materials, including the electrolyte and carbon anodes, are burned as fuel or reductant. The valuable metals are recovered and sent to refining so that the product is suitable for any use. The other materials, including lithium, are contained in the slag, which is now used as an additive in concrete.
Direct recovery: At the other extreme, some recycling processes directly recover battery-grade materials. Components are separated by a variety of physical and chemical processes, and all active materials and metals can be recovered. Direct recovery is a low-temperature process with minimal energy requirement.
Intermediate processes: The third type of process is between the two extremes. Such processes may accept multiple kinds of batteries, unlike direct recovery, but recover materials further along the production chain than smelting does.

https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/electric_batteries.html


22 posted on 04/24/2021 6:59:58 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: McGruff

—”anyone figured out where we are going to get all this additional electricity”

Easy Peasy.

For most areas of the USA average load is HALF of peak daytime load and the night time load is half of day the time load.

Smart chargers communicate with each other to minimize the peak load.
Mr. Amazon would have to pay extra if all of his EVs went to max charge at the same time! Can’t have that.

LED lighting cut USA total usage 5% in 2018.
https://www.energy.gov/eere/ssl/led-adoption-report

My adult daughter returned to school to study ‘alternative energy’ and she forces me to help with her homework.
And with my three grandkids, she needs extra help... it’s fun.


23 posted on 04/24/2021 7:03:36 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“A South Korean sodium-ion battery managed to handle about 500 complete charging cycles before its capacity dropped to 80%, according to a May 2020 publication.

“A battery with a slightly different chemical structure devised by a US-Chinese research group achieved 450 charge cycles with a similar charging capacity. And a Chinese sodium-ion battery had a slightly lower capacity, but still retained 70% of its capacity after 1,200 cycles of quick 12-minute charging.”

https://www.dw.com/en/the-batteries-of-the-future-sodium-instead-of-lithium/a-54707542

“sodium has two disadvantages. For one, it is three times heavier than lithium, so sodium-ion batteries are also heavier, even though lithium accounts for less than 5% of the total weight of a battery.

“In addition, sodium batteries are less powerful because they inevitably lose around 10% of their energy density due to a 0.3-volt lower cell voltage. This is largely owing to the fact that the graphite anodes that have been used up to now in batteries absorb too little sodium.”


24 posted on 04/24/2021 7:04:53 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: redshawk

—”Tesla didn’t offer a viable solution to extinguish the fire”

My neighbor’s house disappeared before the firemen even arrived.
They believe there was a gasoline leak on his three months old Chevy.

He was out in the yard and heard something... it was gone.

Happens.


25 posted on 04/24/2021 7:12:26 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Where are the electric tractors and combines needed to plant and harvest food crops? How does a tractor or combine get recharged in the middle of a field? Add food shortages and starvation to the effects of the Green New Deal.


26 posted on 04/24/2021 7:13:52 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: McGruff

“Has anyone figured out where we are going to get all this additional electricity generation and delivery to power all these electric vehicles?”

A small car might get as much as 4 miles per kwh.

At a 1,000 miles a month, that is 250 kwh or about $25 worth of electricity.

If one wants to use solar power, the solar panels might be where the car normally is during most of the daytime, at the workplace.

I’m fairly confident that Joe Biden has not given your question much thought.


27 posted on 04/24/2021 7:14:49 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: ApplegateRanch

Appears to be the female end of the extension cord next to the coal.
Not exactly plugged in???

How does that work?


28 posted on 04/24/2021 7:15:27 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: redshawk

Yep, your average conventional car fire will take a couple hundred gallons of water to extinguish.


29 posted on 04/24/2021 7:18:55 PM PDT by wjcsux (RIP Rush Limbaugh 12 Jan 1951- 17 Feb 2021. We really miss you. 😢)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I’m sorry, but half peak of energy production sounds more like there is a lot more to the story.

There could be a number of sound reasons we shouldn’t be overexerting our power grid.

Not that I’m saying EV are impractical, its just that doesn’t tell us anything substantial without the details on “why” being answered.

A lowering gap of cost effectiveness is still not worth it for the other conveniences gas engines give me.


30 posted on 04/24/2021 7:21:48 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The nanny state does keep track of electricity demand:

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=42915


31 posted on 04/24/2021 7:22:36 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: McGruff

“where we are going to get all this additional electricity?”

Silly you...from the outlet, of course.


32 posted on 04/24/2021 7:26:08 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (Real happiness is one that you share)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The entire premise is silly.

Very few would choose an electric truck. Very few.


33 posted on 04/24/2021 7:28:23 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Coal, for at least the next 30 years according to this Exxon Chemical Co. Engineer.

a href=”https://www.independentsentinel.com/the-electric-vehicles-dirty-secrets/“>https://www.independentsentinel.com/the-electric-vehicles-dirty-secrets/</a>


34 posted on 04/24/2021 7:28:24 PM PDT by Free in Texas (Celebrate diversity. Own firearms of every caliber. )
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To: Free in Texas

Well at least the damn link works this time.


35 posted on 04/24/2021 7:29:38 PM PDT by Free in Texas (Celebrate diversity. Own firearms of every caliber. )
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To: Brian Griffin

—” probably not sufficient to power the cars of the world in 2050.”

Worry not!

Right now you can purchase a new Tesla in Europe and China that used LFP (lithium iron phosphate ) batteries.
Yes, fewer miles. But fear not, beyond the Freerepublic driving club, where everyone drives coast to coast every month...
In Europe and China, they mostly drive a short distance to the high-speed rail...


36 posted on 04/24/2021 7:31:27 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message.)
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To: redshawk

I feel CO2 is pretty effective against electric fires.


37 posted on 04/24/2021 7:34:36 PM PDT by Morpheus2009 (If you want me to be afraid, then be consistent in your logic, standards, and your lies!s)
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To: DUMBGRUNT; ApplegateRanch
> Appears to be the female end of the extension cord next to the coal. Not exactly plugged in??? How does that work?

I saw that too, but I didn't comment, because you know, these days you don't dare to assume that just because something looks like a female connector, that it is a socket. It might self-identify as a plug, in which case it believes that it's plugged into the coal.

That's how it works these days.

38 posted on 04/24/2021 7:35:00 PM PDT by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Brian Griffin

Hourly Electric Grid Monitor

https://www.eia.gov/beta/electricity/gridmonitor/dashboard/electric_overview/US48/US48

It’s showing 420 million kwh now.

It thinks that implies a spare capacity of around 3 kwh per possible electric car from about midnight to 4am, or about 12 kwh per day per possible electric car in the US, or about 48 miles per day.

Hopefully, I’m somewhat correct. I’m not used to working with such big numbers.


39 posted on 04/24/2021 7:36:38 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: ApplegateRanch

At least in my part of Chester County, we get it from nuclear, unless the nuclear power plant gets shut off for good.


40 posted on 04/24/2021 7:37:41 PM PDT by Morpheus2009 (If you want me to be afraid, then be consistent in your logic, standards, and your lies!s)
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