Genetic testing suggests horse domestication did not begin in Anatolia

Phys.org ^ | September 17, 2020 | Bob Yirka

[SunkenCiv]

They ate them there, and they were wild horses. In fact, they listened to Keith Richards play “Wild Horses” while they ate.

[SunkenCiv]

They probably invented ladders, too.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Wuli!

[SunkenCiv]

The already-domesticated horse carried its rider all the way there from the steppe, and whinny got there, he just started a horse farm. :^)

[SunkenCiv]

My pleasure.

[SunkenCiv]

Now that I've gotten around to watching it, I probably should have done that before posting it. [blush]

[Grimmy]

Nah.

Don’t need ladders to climb tents.

Ladders were, obviously, invented by the “not now they ain’t” faction of the My Walls are Bigger Than Your Walls culture of the mid east.

[SunkenCiv]

Walls were invented in Michigan, by the Green Valley Boys. Yes, that was so obscure I had to check sources to verify childhood memories.

[Cronos]

I thought that was commonly accepted that horses were domesticated in the Kuban/north of the Caspian sea area by the Aryan tribes and that domestication is what enabled them to spread first south-east to India (then branching west to become Gutians and then Hittites) and then west to become various Europeans.

[Cronos]

Zebras are inifinitely more difficult to domesticate - even now people aren’t able to do this. Horses - at least the ancestral ones (think Przewalski’s horses) are far smaller and easier to control

[Cronos]

Tocharians were an off-shoot of Aryans/Indo-Europeans. They probably came from the group that spread south-east and while the larger group went south to India and then west along the Persian gulf to become Gutians and then Hittites, the Tocharians went to the Tarim basin and then settled down and were eventually absorbed by various Turkic peoples. Some went south in about 200 BC to become the Kushans.

Their descendants would be

Rajputs

and those that stayed behind and were absorbed by the TurkiC peoples became Uyghur

[PIF]

They ate them there, and they were wild horses.

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Wild is open to dispute. There is evidence that the horses wore bridles (from tooth wear) and carved representations show them with bridles and harnesses. Wild does not explain how that particular species (equus przevalski) got from the Gobi to Europe.

People eat animals - nothing new there.

After 10800BC, horse domestication appears to have been lost very likely due to the worldwide disastrous comet strike.

Keith Richards can’t ride horses. He just did the song for the money.

[ops33]

Domestication of the horse happened twice. Once somewhere in Asia and the second was on the plains of North America in the 1500s-1600s.

[ClearCase_guy]

Your statement surprises me.

Horses lived in North America a very long time ago, but the Native Americans found them tasty and hunted them into extinction. Then there were no horses in North America. Until the Spanish arrived with their domesticated horses. Some of which were stolen and some of which escaped. That’s how Native Americans got hold of domesticated horses.

I’m not at all sure that Native Americans deserve credit for domesticating horses on the plains of North America in the 1500s-1600s

[Verginius Rufus]

Yes, I was kidding about zebras...I have read that they are impossible to domesticate (despite many efforts).

I saw one of Przewalski's horses in a zoo. Looked very horselike. So nice of Mr. Przewalski to give one of his horses to the zoo.

[Verginius Rufus]

On zebras, see Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel, chapter 9.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Gamecock]

Did they feed horses Beef-o-Reeno back then?

[SunkenCiv]

I hadn't realized AOC did a cameo in Seinfeld...