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Native American stone tool technology found in Arabia [the style, not actual precolumbian stone tools]
EurekAlert! ^ | August 5, 2020 | CNRS

Posted on 08/07/2020 10:41:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

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To: Pontiac; SunkenCiv
I was only using the wheel as an analolgy for life-changing technologies (fluting) that were invented but never employed practically until by later cultures.

To me, the proto/early-human who gets the "genius award" is the one who first used something softer than flint for a hammer -- because its control opened up a whole world of advanced tool development.

Heck, when I was a kid, we had "long range mudball wars" -- using springy willow sticks to give us 100+ yard range. But, we never got the notion to throw a lightweight spear ("dart") with them -- ("Atlatl")...

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21 posted on 08/08/2020 1:03:28 PM PDT by TXnMA (Anagram: "PANDEMIC --> DEM PANIC")
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Heck, when I was a kid, we had "long range mudball wars" -- using springy willow sticks to give us 100+ yard range. But, we never got the notion to throw a lightweight spear ("dart") with them -- ("Atlatl")...

A good thing too. You might have killed someone.

I was only using the wheel as an analolgy for life-changing technologies (fluting) that were invented but never employed practically until by later cultures.

I realized your intended reference. I just find the reference interesting and the misconception of most people that the wheel and wheeled carts is somehow an obvious and simple concept.

And your reference to the Mayans who had wheeled toys but not carts. The transition from toys to carts is not immediately obvious because of the point I made about axels. Many other cultures also had wheeled toys long before true carts.

One must also consider that good roads are necessary to make use of carts effectively. Consider that in Japan cart were forbidden for use on the Emperor’s roads because they caused ruts and made marching troops on them more difficult.

The famous roads of the Roman Empire were made specifically because the Romans realized the necessity of good roads for baggage carts and wagons in supplying their armies. (Again, the use of the wheel as a weapon of war. If you can’t supply an army with food and weapons you will lose to the foe that can)

22 posted on 08/08/2020 1:44:42 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirs)
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"One must also consider that good roads are necessary to make use of carts effectively."

Yes, indeed. And these GGG posts are exactly why I mentioned the Mayan wheeled toys...

The great Maya "white road" that connected the cities of Coba and Yaxuna

...and...

Ancient Mayan Superhighways [Causeways] Found in the Guatemala Jungle ...

Why build raised causeways and a 26 foot wide, 60 mile long white plastered road, -- if you have no vehicles to take advantage of them?

I can't figger 'em out. Must've been liberals... '-)

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23 posted on 08/08/2020 5:23:06 PM PDT by TXnMA (Anagram: "PANDEMIC --> DEM PANIC")
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They did take advantage of them with vehicles, just not axle and wheel vehicles.

Most road building projects through out history have been to get your military from one place to another quickly. It is easier for armies to march on paved roads that are raised above the mud.

24 posted on 08/09/2020 3:40:11 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (And lead us not into hysteria, but deliver us from the handwashers. Amen!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Take one rock and beat on another rock with it. How many different interpretations of that can there be?


25 posted on 08/09/2020 3:46:26 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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Plenty.

26 posted on 08/09/2020 6:22:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: TXnMA
Uh, let's see... they had, uh, a ceremonial or ritual purpose! Yeah, that's it!

27 posted on 08/09/2020 6:23:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Uh, let's see... they had, uh, a ceremonial or ritual purpose! Yeah, that's it!

Ancient astronomy tools...pointy things for laying out star maps with a precision modern man is still unable to duplicate...

;>)

28 posted on 08/09/2020 6:41:13 PM PDT by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: PLMerite; SunkenCiv
"Take one rock and beat on another rock with it. How many different interpretations of that can there be?"

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Are you deliberately pretending to be dense or sarcastic -- or did you avoid reading #13 and #20, above...?

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29 posted on 08/09/2020 8:31:57 PM PDT by TXnMA (Anagram: "PANDEMIC --> DEM PANIC")
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To: TXnMA

A little sarcastic, but like I said, only so many ways.


30 posted on 08/09/2020 8:54:10 PM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: PLMerite; SunkenCiv
Yeah -- like iron ore. Just heat it up and make stuff out of it... </SARCASM>

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31 posted on 08/09/2020 10:20:46 PM PDT by TXnMA (Anagram: "PANDEMIC --> DEM PANIC")
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