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Confederate statues targeted for removal in series of House bills
Roll Call ^ | July 21, 2020 | Benjamin J. Hulac

Posted on 07/21/2020 3:56:02 AM PDT by C19fan

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To: C19fan

Several state governors have MILLIONS of slaves in lockdown and branded (mask requirement) TODAY. If BLM and all the woke foke were really smart, and really against slavery per se, wouldn’t they be focusing on the practice of slavery whose owners are alive today instead of a bunch of statues of ancient dead slave owners?


21 posted on 07/21/2020 5:47:13 AM PDT by Repent and Believe (...unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish. - Jesus (Luke 13:3))
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To: C19fan

By doing this, removing confederate statues, make everything ok by them? Meaning no more protests, no more kneeling, no more riots, no more looting? Take the statues down and the good little boys and girls go back to mommy.


22 posted on 07/21/2020 6:16:20 AM PDT by lilypad
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To: ClearCase_guy

“I find it really annoying when people make the claim that “the parties have switched”. “

But, they have. And historically that is not unusual.

In our case, first we had the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists. The Federalists didn’t last long, and Jefferson’s Democratic-Republicans were born out of the Anti-Federalists. They, in turn, split in the late 1820s to become the Jacksonian Democrats and the briefly lived National Republican Party, which was created in opposition to the Jacksonians. In the 1830s the National Republican Party became the Whigs. The Whigs punted in the mid 1850s and became the Republican Party, and the Jacksonian Democrats morphed into the Democrat Party that in 1860 further divided into the Southern Democrats and the Northern Democrats.

In a nutshell, the Federalists/National Republicans/Whigs/Republicans believed in a strong and dominant federal government that distrusted the rule by the people and thought the nation could best be governed by the elites (basically, the gentry). On the other hand, the Anti-Federalists/Democratic-Republicans/Democrats wanted a limited federal government and strong state governments and, since they distrusted elites, they believed that ordinary people (small farmers, shopkeepers, laborers, merchants) should have a pivotal role in governing.

So, you see, the parties have to a great extent “flipped.” Today it is the Democrats that favor a strong and dominant federal government with the states and the people being subordinate to and subservient to the federal government; and it is today’s Republican Party that subscribes to a limited federal government and more and greater state and local control. Now, within that distinction some things haven’t changed too much from the 19th century, but the basic concept of government has.


23 posted on 07/21/2020 6:26:29 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

I don’t find that convincing.

The Republican Party has, for over 150 years, supported the rights of the individual. The Democrats were a States Rights party (and I am very sympathetic to this view) but part of that was the idea that if your state government wanted some people to be owned like property, that was OK. Republicans stood up and said that was wrong.

After the Civil War, the Republicans wanted freed slaves to have open opportunities in education, in business, and in politics. The Democrats didn’t like that and wanted segregation where blacks and white were treated differently and seen as separate and distinct.

Now, more than 150 years later, it is still the same. The Left still supports segregation, still insists that Blacks stay on the plantation and support the people in charge. Joe Biden says if you don’t vote for him, “you ain’t Black”.

I agree that some of the details of political execution have moved around quite a bit. But the core idea has always been that Blacks are just tools to be used by a political elite. Keeping them in a downtrodden, subservient position has always been a strategy for the Democrats — today, as well as before the Civil War. The Republicans, on the other hand, have consistently wanted Blacks to be equal partners in a country based on individual freedom and responsibility.

The core ideology of the parties has not changed, although some of the details have.


24 posted on 07/21/2020 6:41:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: C19fan

Why should we allow Democrats to destroy statues of their predecessors that remind us of their proclivity for slavery?


25 posted on 07/21/2020 6:48:30 AM PDT by RideForever (We were born to be tested)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You focus almost entirely on race and slavery, and your argument is presented through that filter.

It is not that simple!

As for the respective political parties, their concept of government sure as hell has changed, and everything flows from there.


26 posted on 07/21/2020 7:12:25 AM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: central_va

“We have no republic. We have true democracy ( mob rule ) run by an autocratic federal bureaucracy.”

Worth re-considering, repeating. Thanks.


27 posted on 08/05/2020 2:37:43 AM PDT by PGalt ( Past Peak Civilization)
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