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Q Anon: 06/30/20 Trust Trump's Plan ~ Vol.263, Q Day 977
qmap.pub ^ | 06/30/20 | FReepers and FReeQs, vanity

Posted on 06/30/2020 5:27:37 PM PDT by ransomnote


Q is the result of the sacrifices and commitment of countless patriots to win back our captured country from the Deep State and achieve the transformation President Trump promised in this campaign video. President Trump has said the awakening of the public is key to this transformation.

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"The Great Awakening ('Freedom of Thought’), was designed and created not only as a backchannel to the public (away from the longstanding ‘mind’ control of the corrupt & heavily biased media) to endure future events through transparency and regeneration of individual thought (breaking the chains of ‘group-think’), but, more importantly, aid in the construction of a vehicle (a ‘ship’) that provides the scattered (‘free thinkers’) with a ‘starter’ new social-networking platform which allows for freedom of thought, expression, and patriotism or national pride (the feeling of love, devotion and sense of attachment to a homeland and alliance with other citizens who share the same sentiment).

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To: TXnMA
I'm still looking into it. This will probably bore most. Not sure the image is what I thought it meant. But maybe significant for other reasons. There is another episode which interests me more which is the following:

Unearthing the Persian Administration of Jerusalem, 6th Century BCE. Ze’ev Orenstein is the Director of International Affairs for the City of David Foundation.

That would be Cyrus the Great who administered. Which is why my interest. (Trump is possibly a type of Cyrus in my theory - and has already moved the embassy to Jerusalem fulfilling prophecy in part.)

Ok, so Nunes echoed a link to the John Bachelor Show and they were discussing the fireballs in or around Natanz a nuclear facility in Iran (which is Persia and still speaks Farsi).

The interest to me has to do with Ezekiel 38, 39. Persia is mentioned. and in Ch 39, it seems nuclear material, because eit says they use the weapons of their enemies for fuel for 7 years. (uranium energy conversion?) In that war 2/3 of Israel is destroyed etc. But the war ends when Israel's enemies are destroyed but not by human hands.

My theory for a long time has been that at somepoint Iraq and Iran will turn back into a united Persian entity. I never knew how it would happen. But what W did made it a possibility. Either way, both Iran and Iraq will be allied against Israel in the Ezekiel 38 war. I just always felt it will be perhaps as one Persian entity.

------ but to circle back around to topic---->

Here is Devin Nunes posted from Bachelor Show:

Mysterious explosions and fires across Iran, including the nuclear facility at Natanz. Behnam Ben Taleblu @fdd Malcolm Hoenlein @Conf_of_pres

Below is the image that went with it but was actually a link to the audio show which I will post if anyone is interested.

Mysterious explosions and fires across Iran, including the nuclear facility at Natanz.


1,721 posted on 07/05/2020 2:52:15 AM PDT by Ymani Cricket ("Leadership is intangible, and therefore no weapon ever designed can replace it." ~Omar Bradley)
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Auto-generated Transcript of Youtube Video

Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi on Covid-19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExrrJIcOZ90

(prior video on Twitter taken down)

00:22
so if I could just get you both to say
00:25
your names and give me a little bit
00:26
about your background my name is Dan
00:28
Eriksson an emergency trained physician
00:30
I got my Health Sciences degree from La
00:33
Sierra University I went to Western
00:36
University for a medical school and we
00:38
trained locally at the county and a
00:40
four-year emergency program and then
00:43
we’ve been in the county for about 15
00:45
years working in different hospitals and
00:47
and building our business my name is art
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Massey he I did undergraduate at
00:52
University of California Irvine and
00:54
medical school at Loma Linda University
00:56
School of Medicine I did an internship
01:00
in general surgery at the University of
01:03
Southern California and I did my read
01:05
three year residency after that at
01:08
current medical center which I completed
01:10
in 2008 and since 2012 from 2008 to 2012
01:16
we worked in the urgent cares and
01:18
emergency rooms locally and we opened up
01:23
our businesses in 2012 which we’ve
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managed and worked in for the past eight
01:27
years
01:27
you guys recently held a press
01:30
conference on April 22nd what led to
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your deciding to do that well initially
01:36
when you have a novel or a new virus
01:39
here you’re trying to decide how to
01:41
respond to it so we obviously took the
01:44
leadership from our president and from
01:46
dr. Falchi they said we need the
01:48
community to shelter in place and we
01:51
need we need people to take measures
01:53
like social distancing which we did we
01:56
need to embrace PPE which we did so we
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got a significant number of supplies and
02:01
we got n95 masks for our staff we set up
02:06
coded testing center at our larger
02:09
facility and we really got in line with
02:13
everything that was being said to do the
02:15
testing and why we figure out our
02:17
approach so because it was a new virus
02:20
you know we said let’s let’s gather data
02:23
for a couple months let’s do let’s do
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testing initially criteria based testing
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fever cough shortness of breath and then
02:32
that transition
02:33
into testing all kinds of people for
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employers people coming in because they
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lived with a grandmother who was
02:41
immune-compromised and they were
02:42
concerned initially about six to eight
02:45
weeks ago we decided to do coronavirus
02:48
testing because we dr. Erickson had met
02:51
with multiple CEOs and everybody wanted
02:54
us to do the testing so we’re just like
02:56
you know what we’re leaders in this
02:58
community and this is kind of something
03:00
we need to do so we we set aside 10,000
03:04
square feet of our two-on-two Coffee
03:06
Road location more of a community
03:08
service and we’re and that’s why we were
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able to do so many tests and we’re known
03:14
in the area for for doing the most tests
03:16
because of that I think most folks think
03:19
that because you’re in urgent care
03:21
the only people that come in here are
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sick I have a fever and I have a cough
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can I get checked for coronavirus that’s
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the farthest thing from the truth a big
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big portion of our sample volume were
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healthy folks that were not concerned
03:36
but their employer sent them in for
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testing these are folks that are random
03:41
folks from the community that came here
03:44
for testing they have no symptoms no
03:45
concerns I saw many of them so did dr.
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Erickson I said why are you here oh just
03:50
that my boss is forcing me I need to get
03:52
tested you have any symptoms no I feel
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fine so our our sample distribution and
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demographic is is representative but I
04:01
think that’s why folks think that it’s
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not because it’s an urgent care and only
04:06
sick people come into the nursing care
04:07
and that’s not true so we really started
04:10
loosening up our testing probably three
04:12
to four weeks ago where we were
04:14
our testing was much more randomized at
04:16
that point and to date we’ve done a
04:18
little over six thousand tests with
04:21
about four hundred and fifty positives
04:23
this is a this is a PCR test it’s a
04:26
nasal swab it’s a moment in time that
04:29
shows that a patient is positive or
04:31
negative we just recently started doing
04:34
antibody testing our plan was to do a
04:37
small press release for our community
04:39
there’s about nine hundred thousand
04:41
people in Kern County and we said let’s
04:43
just do a press release saying at this
04:45
moment in time
04:46
we’re showing at that time was 4.5%
04:50
currently at 7.3 percent of a moment in
04:53
time out of our 6100 tests that our PC
04:58
our nasal swabs 7.3% are positive we
05:01
weren’t necessarily extrapolating
05:03
although we did sort of say if if this
05:06
is an accurate sample then then we’ve
05:08
got quite a few more cases in Kern
05:10
County than we had anticipated the
05:12
hospital released some data today in the
05:15
hospital today there is 14 cases of
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kovat out of 900,000 people and there’s
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three people on ventilators per their
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public data so when you talk about an
05:29
overwhelming COBIT illness in Kern
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County we do not have that it was quite
05:35
a shock to see that your video which was
05:37
after all just raw footage of a press
05:39
conference posted by a local ABC
05:42
affiliate that that it had been taken
05:45
down last night by YouTube for
05:47
quote-unquote violating community
05:49
standards did you receive more detail
05:51
about what standards you allegedly
05:53
violated or or this video allegedly
05:55
violated no we we don’t really know
05:58
exactly why they they took it down i I
06:02
really our focus honestly really has
06:04
been about what can we do to get the
06:07
country back on track because the the
06:09
social media side of this is not the big
06:12
issue the big issue is people suffering
06:14
we have I have patients texting me about
06:17
you know anxiety medications I’m out of
06:19
work we don’t have any money
06:21
the the collateral damage of the kovat
06:26
is causing increasing pain in our Kern
06:29
County area so that’s really what we
06:32
want to speak about is the collateral
06:34
damage because in Kern County the
06:37
collateral damage appears more
06:39
significant than the damage being caused
06:41
by the actual disease of kovat which is
06:44
a viral illness causing similar to a flu
06:47
type outbreak in Kern County so your
06:49
position
06:50
is in line with a great number of
06:53
epidemiologists and doctors worldwide
06:55
including three we’ve interviewed on
06:57
this channel Johnny and Edie is Newt
06:59
with Kowski and David Katz
07:01
you know the response that you got from
07:03
the the American College of Emergency
07:06
Physicians in the american academy of
07:09
emergency medicine these were very
07:12
extreme responses i mean can you from a
07:15
lay person’s perspective it would seem
07:17
to me that the science ought to be open
07:19
and questioning and a nope
07:21
you know subject to evolution and yet
07:24
you guys are being sort of clamped down
07:27
on
07:28
pretty hard I mean you have a sense of
07:29
why you’re getting the reaction you’re
07:31
getting from some quarters we have ended
07:33
and I think what’s important is I’m
07:36
actually interestingly a part of the
07:38
American Academy of emergency medicine
07:39
I’m board-certified from through
07:41
emergency medicine and when I saw what
07:45
they had written this morning I was
07:46
shocked
07:47
because my standpoint is you know as an
07:51
emergency physician or our standpoint is
07:54
if you disagree with our numbers okay
07:57
let’s let’s analyze the numbers but to
07:59
attack us and say we have a financial
08:01
gain from this it just seems like
08:03
there’s a lot of anger and hatred which
08:04
is not really warranted so it didn’t
08:09
doesn’t make much sense to us and it’s
08:12
interesting because I spoke to another
08:14
physician this morning and he said I
08:17
mean he’s I don’t want to name him but
08:19
he’s linked to a world-renowned
08:22
institution he said he’s he’s never been
08:25
this vilified in his life he says I’ve
08:28
you know had debates and we’ve disagreed
08:31
on certain results with different
08:34
scientists or the what these results
08:37
mean but you know the the amount of the
08:42
reaction was extremely surprising a
08:44
colleague a physician to a physician
08:46
doesn’t react that way if you’re if our
08:49
data
08:49
if you think our data is flawed let’s
08:51
discuss it but to have that kind of
08:54
anger was I thought kind of unwarranted
08:57
so you’re being accused of bias based on
09:00
your desire to open up your care centers
09:04
to other kinds of patience and for your
09:07
political views are there good reasons
09:10
to believe that you’re not falling prey
09:12
to confirmation bias
09:13
I’ve spoken with other emergency room
09:16
doctors and I did an interview on dr.
09:18
lang yesterday from Wisconsin and I said
09:22
dr. lang what is your viewpoint and my
09:24
full zoom interview is posted on our
09:26
website if people would like to see it I
09:28
said what are you seeing at your
09:30
hospitals he said decreasing hours he
09:34
said what I’m seeing is patients are not
09:36
coming in for significant issues such as
09:40
chest pain he said for instance two days
09:43
ago a man had chest pain wanted to come
09:45
to the ER but he was concerned about
09:47
getting kovat he stayed home he was
09:49
having heart attack and had had
09:52
significant problems afterwards for not
09:55
coming in soon enough and he said I have
09:56
many cases like this of abdominal pain
09:59
won’t come in and and something much
10:01
worse is happening and they just were
10:03
afraid to come in because of kovat so
10:06
this fear and and this is not a one-off
10:09
testimony I’ve talked to other doctors
10:11
but this that’s the only one I have on
10:12
record who have told me the ER where I’m
10:16
at is the census is low patients are not
10:20
coming in for things they should have
10:22
our Hospital is fairly empty another
10:26
physician I talked to is a
10:28
board-certified orthopedic surgeon out
10:30
of Texas and I said how’s it going he
10:32
said well I did a case a few weeks ago
10:34
that they considered non-essential and I
10:37
got a letter stating that if I do any
10:40
more cases I could be fined and or
10:42
imprisoned for helping people with a
10:45
limb that was non-functional because
10:48
that was considered non-essential so
10:51
when we see this kind of thing start
10:52
happening time and time again we have to
10:54
ask ourselves is the collateral damage a
10:58
COBIT indeed worse than a coab envira
11:02
itself so when people say there’s
11:04
financial gain I just gave you two
11:06
examples of people who don’t have
11:09
businesses who work in the system and
11:11
who are saying this is bad for patients
11:14
and it’s bad for our surgical
11:17
city for instance if you’ve furloughed
11:19
doctors and nurses add as you guys know
11:22
this is public knowledge many hospitals
11:24
have how do you handle a second wave I
11:27
called our hospitals today and they said
11:30
we have plenty of capacity we’re we’re
11:32
ready for a surge absolutely but if you
11:35
furloughed nurses and doctors and we get
11:37
a second wave we’re unable to adequately
11:39
staff so that’s my answer to your
11:42
question so this all started as a way to
11:44
you know help this community that’s been
11:46
so amazing to us for the past 15 years
11:49
we’re you know combined 30 years we
11:52
trained here we have lots of friends
11:54
here and so everything that that we’ve
11:59
done and everything that we continue to
12:01
do is for the community obviously if we
12:04
see more patients we have to get paid
12:06
for the patient but that’s not our
12:07
motive and I want to get that out there
12:09
and eyes although our volumes are lower
12:12
we’re still doing fine we’re not we’re
12:15
doing better than almost anybody in the
12:16
community which were very blessed about
12:18
so that to me doesn’t make any sense I
12:21
honestly don’t appreciate you know the
12:24
American Academy and some of these other
12:25
emergency of organizations stating these
12:31
things about us because I think it’s
12:33
it’s it’s it’s a little unwarranted and
12:36
inappropriate one of your critics was a
12:39
guy by the name of dr. Karl Bergstrom
12:41
from the University of Washington and he
12:45
says it’s been it’s been a huge surprise
12:47
for all of us doing infectious disease
12:49
epidemiology it’s amazing to have to
12:51
deal with this misinformation that’s
12:53
being spread around for political
12:55
purposes and the ways that that
12:57
interferes with adequate Public Health
12:59
response I just want to clarify again I
13:01
mean what do you think he means by
13:02
political purposes and do you have any
13:04
political purposes no no we don’t and
13:07
we’re not psychiatrist I don’t want to
13:10
psychoanalyze another person’s viewpoint
13:12
our role and I’m going to keep coming
13:15
back to this is to point to the experts
13:17
both in the United States and in Sweden
13:21
and say the epidemiologists are telling
13:24
us that when they review the data as
13:26
they do every year
13:27
they’re reckon
13:30
a different course and Sweden has taken
13:33
a different course and it’s had a pretty
13:35
good outcome is there something we can
13:37
learn from that because there’s always
13:38
going to be dissenting opinions and it’s
13:41
not I don’t think it’s necessarily
13:43
prudent to go back and forth what is
13:45
prudent is the same moving forward how
13:48
do we get the country back on track how
13:50
do we keep Kovac patients helpful how do
13:53
we protect our hospitals and make sure
13:54
they’re ready for a surge capacity these
13:56
are the issues we need to be answering
13:58
and dealing with when you have something
13:59
new like this you have to decide on your
14:02
approach nobody had an exact plan for
14:05
this so you you initially
14:07
shelter-in-place use social distance you
14:10
get PPE going and then you watch how the
14:12
disease develops and we’re of course
14:14
comparing it to seasonal flu and we’re
14:18
seeing is it is it a lot different how
14:20
is the death rate it seems to have
14:22
spread more rapidly it has a little more
14:24
of a respiratory component to it and
14:26
then at this point we’ve so we released
14:29
that press conference and now we’re
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consulting with epidemiologists
14:35
specifically in Sweden and dr. pitrowski
14:38
and dr. dr. Anders and dr. gazecki we
14:45
are talking to the epidemiologist who
14:47
have spent 35 years of their life to
14:50
understand this process and we’re saying
14:52
what is the best approach to take Sweden
14:55
has taken a different approach than we
14:56
have Sweden has said kids under 16 you
15:01
can go to school people can come out of
15:03
their house the restaurants are doing
15:05
some social distancing and when they ask
15:08
dr. Anders Technic would you do anything
15:10
different now that you’ve watched the
15:12
disease process for you know a few weeks
15:14
he said not really he the only thing he
15:18
would choose to change was he wanted to
15:20
protect the elderly and they would have
15:23
done a little more in that sector
15:24
everything else he said our infection
15:27
rate our hospitals our death radar
15:29
tracking similar to societies like the
15:32
United States that have done lockdown so
15:35
and he did some recent interviews I was
15:37
just watching before this interview and
15:39
he’s
15:39
you know we will know in the next months
15:42
you know which which which technique was
15:46
the best but he said for right now we’re
15:48
very happy with our results and how
15:50
we’re handling it
15:51
they haven’t had massive collateral
15:53
damage to their economy they’re their
15:56
death rate per million is at 225 ours is
15:59
at 175 and Italy in Spain are between
16:03
450 and 500 so he’s saying we’re pretty
16:06
pleased with the results and our
16:08
technique so far and then when they
16:10
asked dr. jisuk how much science is
16:13
there to social distancing and to
16:17
shelter in place and dr. G six answer
16:20
was there’s virtually no data to show
16:23
those are effective however there is
16:25
data for hand-washing that is
16:27
appropriate so we see these
16:29
epidemiologists that have been doing
16:31
this for decades you know he’s the chief
16:34
he’s the chief of Epidemiology for the
16:37
country of Sweden
16:38
he’s an infectious disease doctor or was
16:40
now retired so we’re saying let’s look
16:45
at what the people who do this for a
16:47
living are saying our data was a moment
16:50
in time it was not made to you know
16:53
necessarily make predictions about the
16:55
country it was a moment in time where
16:57
that’s what the press conference was for
16:59
and now we’re pivoting towards let’s
17:02
listen to the experts in the United
17:04
States the epidemiologist like dr. Vitt
17:07
Taos key who’s done this for 30 years
17:08
he’s a biostatistician and he analyzes
17:12
this kind of data for a living what does
17:14
he say and if you watch I interviewed
17:16
him yesterday and he really went over
17:19
the fact that what we’re seeing now is
17:22
is similar to us severe flu per per his
17:27
words and I said do you agree with the
17:31
Swedish model and he said I absolutely
17:33
do so my question was how do you get
17:35
back to work because that’s what we’re
17:37
all interested in how do you get back so
17:39
he said you got a you know you know open
17:43
the school’s up to kids up to 16 get the
17:46
school system moving see how see how
17:48
that effect goes then you can slowly
17:51
open restaurants in different
17:52
monitoring the disease rate and the
17:55
hospital rate because shelter-in-place
17:56
was to keep our hospitals from getting
17:59
overwhelmed I called two CEOs today of
18:04
different massive Hospital chains and
18:06
they told me our census is low and we
18:09
are prepared for a second wave should it
18:13
occur so census is low and we’re
18:16
prepared for surge they all told me that
18:18
so I think we’ve we’ve used and
18:21
appropriately the shelter in place
18:23
social distancing that was appropriate
18:25
and now that we have some data and we’ve
18:28
watched the disease curve sort of
18:29
flatten out maybe it’s time now to be
18:32
moving toward more of a Swedish model I
18:34
was struck by what you all were saying
18:38
about quarantine and it’s it’s unhelpful
18:41
impacts could you just run over those
18:43
with us what what have you either noted
18:46
or what is your what are your fears
18:48
there well I think most folks who are
18:53
trained in immunology would would agree
18:57
although these days you don’t know they
18:58
may disagree but I think the if you stay
19:03
home and you’re sheltering in place for
19:05
prolonged periods of time your normal
19:07
flora the bugs that keep us healthy the
19:10
concentration of those do decrease and
19:13
it’s that it’s the example we gave is of
19:16
a baby when a baby is born for the first
19:19
few months of life they have their
19:22
immunodeficient and the reason is
19:26
because they haven’t had enough contact
19:27
with the outside world and so if they’re
19:31
more likely to get opportunistic
19:33
infections so if we see a baby in the
19:35
emergency room who has a fever then we
19:37
do this huge workup on them because we
19:39
want to make sure they don’t have
19:40
meningitis bacteremia pneumonia all
19:44
these different infections you know a
19:46
urinary tract infection that’s caused
19:47
causing this massive infection in them
19:50
whereas if I you know if I evaluate you
19:52
for fever and you’re young and healthy
19:54
then for the most part you know other
19:57
than my fist cream physical exam I maybe
19:59
I may do an x-ray if you’re coughing or
20:01
something like that but we wouldn’t do
20:02
that extensive
20:03
work up because you have the appropriate
20:06
flora whereas a baby doesn’t so when
20:09
you’re staying at home sheltering at
20:10
home from prolonged periods of time
20:11
you’re not you’re not going you’re not
20:13
you’re not going out you’re not in term
20:15
intermingling with society your flora go
20:18
down and that predisposes you to
20:20
infection when you’re cleaning your
20:21
hands you know you’re wiping it with
20:23
sanitizer 15 times a day
20:25
you’re killing off your good bugs and
20:27
that’s that’s kind of some of the
20:30
negative effects of social isolation and
20:32
we’re not saying social isolation was
20:34
was was not warranted initially it was
20:36
and we’ve done that for a couple of
20:39
months where do we go from here is the
20:41
question do we take Sweden’s model and
20:45
open up like dr. Erickson said open up
20:48
schools and look at the number of cases
20:50
how many cases of Cova do we have you
20:53
know we try one thing see if it works we
20:55
try something else and you gradually
20:57
open up the economy I realized we
21:00
couldn’t do that initially because kovat
21:02
is a new virus but over 19 but now we
21:06
have some data from reputable sources
21:08
like up north we have data that this
21:11
this virus is kind of everywhere and the
21:14
fatality is not as high as we think
21:16
either you examined any coated patients
21:20
oh yeah absolutely I’ve had many
21:22
patients who have kovat and have
21:24
pneumonia and what is it like I mean
21:28
first of all I want to know is there
21:31
something in particular about this
21:33
disease we’ve been hearing reports you
21:34
know I’m here in New York we’ve been
21:36
hearing reports from doctors and nurses
21:38
that this is unlike other things that
21:42
they’ve seen in the way it presents it
21:45
may be that the death rate is in fact
21:47
around the equivalent to a severe
21:49
seasonal flu and I think the
21:51
epidemiology from even from the
21:54
government side may start to bear that
21:56
out
21:56
but the though they will say the social
22:00
distancing that accomplished this but
22:02
what have you noted about the way in
22:05
which this disease presents and have you
22:07
found treatment regimes that work and
22:11
and and others that are perhaps harmful
22:14
well we don’t work in an inpatient
22:16
setting we work we don’t work in the
22:17
hospital so that I don’t have the level
22:20
of experience that a physician that’s
22:22
working in the emergency room in New
22:24
York will have because we haven’t had
22:25
that many cases but the patients that I
22:27
have seen here that were older that had
22:31
a fever that on exam had pneumonia they
22:35
didn’t look that bad
22:36
but maybe we caught it early they didn’t
22:38
look that bad you know we we evaluated
22:42
the patient did a chest x-ray did a
22:43
history and physical exam first and
22:45
foremost and did a chest x-ray and they
22:48
had pneumonia and we we started them on
22:52
appropriate antibiotics for a 74 year
22:55
old gentleman and did a kovat test and
22:58
the Cova test came back a couple days
23:00
later and I didn’t prescribe him
23:02
anything at the time and I haven’t
23:04
followup with his primary care physician
23:06
he presented like a normal person would
23:09
with pneumonia usually the tryout of no
23:12
mo pneumonia his fever coffin you know
23:14
fever cough and chest pain and he I
23:16
believe he had a fever on cough so some
23:19
of the other folks that were positive
23:21
didn’t have any symptoms at all they
23:23
were sent here from their boss sent him
23:26
in here because they were you know
23:28
they’re operating a business and they
23:30
want to make sure that everybody is is
23:33
you know is Kovac negative and a lot of
23:35
folks that we’ve tested that were
23:36
positive had absolutely no symptoms at
23:38
all did you guys do blood oxygen level
23:41
tests or anything like that would would
23:43
you have been involved in some in doing
23:45
that level of tests we check the pulse
23:47
oximetry whenever they arrive and most
23:49
of our people you know have a pulse
23:51
oximetry above 95% occasionally we would
23:55
have someone a little bit lower and if
23:56
if they’re if their oxygen level as
23:58
though they go to the ER and they’re
24:00
managed there so patients that are
24:02
critical like what you’re asking about
24:03
is not really what we do here in the in
24:06
the urgent care outpatient center we get
24:08
most people that have a very mild cough
24:11
or they have a very mild fever and they
24:14
otherwise feel basically normal so most
24:17
the patient’s we see had a very very
24:19
mild form of disease and if you
24:21
from what the epidemiologists tell me
24:23
that is the vast majority of these
24:26
millions of cases we see globally have
24:29
very mild to no symptoms in fact per the
24:32
data described by the doctor the
24:35
epidemiologists in Sweden so we’re not
24:38
we’re not seeing other devastating cases
24:41
we currently have 847 resident cases in
24:45
Kern County at a nine hundred thousand
24:47
we’ve had five Kern County resident
24:50
deaths and and nine non-resident cases
24:54
so again this is out of almost a million
24:57
people you spoke about comorbidities an
25:01
objection could be raised that so many
25:03
Americans have comorbidities like you
25:06
know forty percent obesity or you know
25:09
the diabetes rate or what have you so
25:10
how how are we to make a transition back
25:14
into the world if in fact so great a
25:17
percentage of Americans are in fact do
25:20
in fact have comorbidities well just
25:22
because you have comorbidities doesn’t
25:25
mean you’re gonna have significant
25:26
disease like for instance if you have a
25:29
chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
25:31
which restricts your lung volume you’re
25:34
gonna you’re going to be more
25:35
susceptible to a kovat infection that’s
25:38
a little worse because it is a
25:39
respiratory illness but a lot of people
25:42
with diabetes and heart disease had very
25:45
mild illness so comorbidities is not
25:49
essentially a death sentence for you it
25:51
means that if you get Kovac you might
25:53
you might have a little worse time with
25:55
it but the again the vast majority of
25:59
people from doctor geese ik and dr. Teng
26:02
Nell from Sweden have said the vast
26:04
majority of people we’re seeing have
26:06
very mild to no symptoms John if you
26:09
don’t mind one thing I’d like to talk
26:11
about is herd immunity and vaccinations
26:14
herd herd immunity is critical because
26:16
herd immunity is how these viruses burn
26:20
themselves out and in Sweden per doctor
26:23
geese egg they say that every year the
26:26
flu comes in the flu spreads
26:29
person-to-person respiratory droplet it
26:32
spikes and it comes back to
26:33
in our in our County it’s typically from
26:36
December through March is our typical
26:39
cycle for flu it comes in and it burns
26:42
itself out by hurting hurt immunity once
26:44
it hits about 70 to 80 percent now if we
26:47
have a vaccine which we do for flu it
26:50
pushes us to herd immunity quicker the
26:53
the vaccine is not a perfect science
26:55
because not everyone will take the
26:57
vaccine and then the vaccine will work
27:00
per the CDC’s website on about 30 to 40
27:03
percent of people depending on how well
27:05
it’s matched to the strain that year so
27:08
the the vaccine is not necessarily the
27:10
end-all be-all for viral type illnesses
27:13
some illness is it completely wipes them
27:15
out some illness is like like a flu
27:17
virus
27:18
it helps us push us toward herd immunity
27:20
herd immunity is how every country will
27:24
get rid of kovat and it’s how it’s it’s
27:27
the reason why the Swedish are allowing
27:30
people to mingle together because the
27:32
logic is they will get to herd immunity
27:34
quicker than isolating people which
27:37
flattens the curve which prolongs the
27:40
disease process and exposes us to a
27:42
possible secondary spike although we are
27:45
ready for that as I shared earlier the
27:48
hospitals have a low census and they are
27:50
they have surge capacity ready for if we
27:53
have a lot more patients with coded so
27:56
you don’t think we need to have a
27:58
vaccine in order to get out of lockdown
28:02
no I the vaccine I I think is it’s
28:05
probably more than a year away per you
28:08
know somewhat I’ve heard from the
28:10
administration I think it’s gonna take a
28:12
while to get it but whether we have a
28:14
vaccine or we don’t I / again / the
28:17
epidemiologist you’re gonna I’m gonna
28:19
keep saying that because that’s what I’m
28:20
taking my data from they have said we
28:23
will reach herd immunity
28:25
with or without a vaccine the vaccine
28:28
helps us to get on the back side of the
28:31
curve faster and reach herd immunity
28:33
faster so a vaccine will be great but we
28:36
didn’t have a vaccine for SARS we don’t
28:38
have a vaccine for the common cold a lot
28:41
of viruses we don’t have vaccines for
28:43
and yet they move through our our people
28:45
every year and they
28:47
themselves out through herd immunity I
28:49
think one thing to add is you have to
28:53
protect the old you have to protect the
28:55
frail population you have to protect
28:59
those that have severe
29:00
immunodeficiencies and those that are
29:04
likely to not do well and you have to do
29:08
this in a stepwise fashion and you have
29:11
to make sure folks aren’t able to visit
29:13
nursing homes which is I think one of
29:15
one of sweden’s mistakes that dr. D CK
29:18
had mentioned that one of the reasons
29:21
Sweden does have as many deaths they
29:24
would have had far less deaths is
29:26
because of the fact that their nursing
29:29
homes are much larger than their
29:30
counterpart Norway and they allowed
29:33
visitors initially now there there’s a
29:38
lot of conflicting opinion about Sweden
29:41
that there was a Times story today New
29:45
York Times story that lauded it as a
29:47
success but there was a comment that’s
29:50
being sent around that says that the
29:53
death rate in Sweden they they say is
29:57
233 des permille e’en and there are rate
30:01
six times that of Finland and three
30:04
times that of Denmark
30:05
so granted they are they I know I’ve
30:10
heard them say they did is not as good a
30:13
job sheltering the old as they would
30:14
have liked but are those figures enough
30:18
to sort of to call Sweden a failure or
30:22
do you is that I mean or do those
30:23
figures make sense from what you’ve seen
30:25
no one can answer that we’re not through
30:27
the disease cycle yet and so we’re all
30:30
gonna look back on data in a few months
30:32
and we’re gonna decide which strategy
30:34
was most effective this exact question
30:36
was asked by dr. Anders Teng Nell who’s
30:40
a chief you know epidemiologist in
30:43
Sweden they asked him that a couple days
30:45
ago and his answer was we’ll see he said
30:49
we’re all going through this together
30:51
this is a novel this is a new virus it’s
30:54
behaving in some ways like flu and in
30:56
some ways not like flu and as
30:58
different respiratory components and as
31:00
a little more of aggressive spread rate
31:02
so really to to say anybody’s method is
31:06
the best right now is premature we have
31:09
to allow the full disease cycle to go
31:11
and then we will look back on everyone’s
31:13
data for instance which which country
31:17
had the disease first and did it come to
31:19
the metropolitan areas did it start in
31:21
the rural areas that all makes a
31:23
difference to how fast the disease moves
31:26
how much death rate you have you know
31:28
what’s the population like in Sweden
31:31
versus Finland and Norway do they have
31:34
you know let’s you have to look at the
31:36
culture and what is there and the type
31:38
of people and the lifestyle there’s all
31:39
kinds of factors that play in so I think
31:42
it’s it’s premature at this point to say
31:44
one is better than the other what we do
31:47
know is that the collateral damage of
31:50
shut down affects nearly every single
31:53
American and that’s why we’re gonna keep
31:56
coming back to the fact that we have to
31:59
do something that reduces the collateral
32:01
damage that is affecting everyone would
32:03
it have been more helpful for you as
32:05
physicians on the ground if there had
32:08
been a national kind of testing a
32:11
randomized testing campaign most likely
32:14
an antibody testing campaign begun a lot
32:17
sooner so we have a real sense of what
32:19
the case fatality rate was yeah yeah I
32:23
mean the more the more data we have like
32:25
that would absolutely allow us to
32:27
extrapolate the the difficulty is in the
32:30
logistics because again I’m gonna come
32:33
back to this point this is a new virus
32:35
we’re not used to dancing with this
32:37
virus the flu were used to and the flu
32:41
testing is ubiquitous and the flu test
32:44
is everywhere and not everybody is
32:46
reporting all their flu tests because we
32:47
do millions of flu tests and I think but
32:50
again the first year that was flu was
32:53
seen we didn’t have the test for it so
32:55
when a new virus comes in you have to
32:57
ramp up your testing the labs have to
33:00
develop the serologic test the PCR test
33:02
then they have to study those tests and
33:04
verify them and then bring them out to
33:06
society so it’s this long process of
33:09
getting FDA approval it takes
33:12
you know weeks two months at best case
33:14
and then you have to run it on the
33:16
community and verify your results so I
33:18
think I think the labs and the
33:20
scientists are doing an absolutely great
33:23
job getting this test out there but it
33:25
takes time and then you have to think
33:28
about the logistics if you if you tell
33:30
me okay dr. Erickson we want you to test
33:32
a million people that’s a tall order
33:35
it’s a tall order for the entire medical
33:37
community we don’t test the whole
33:38
community for anything so I think it’s a
33:41
little bit unrealistic to say we’re
33:43
gonna test everyone I think you test
33:46
segments of the population randomly and
33:48
you put them in studies and then you
33:50
kind of extrapolate the data out to make
33:53
a decision your best decision on like
33:55
for instance this year you know we’re
33:57
gonna make our best estimate how many
33:59
flu cases we have is that an exact
34:01
number
34:01
no it’s an estimate because we didn’t
34:03
test all 328 million people in the
34:05
United States got yet now to the health
34:11
effects of the lockdown or just some of
34:13
the contradictions in it you you
34:15
mentioned and again from a health
34:17
perspective does does it make sense to
34:20
allow say the Walmart of the Costco to
34:23
be open and not the local pizza place is
34:26
there any science that you’re aware of
34:29
that backs that up
34:31
well I I’d like to take you through a
34:34
typical day we we both went to a bike
34:36
store last week and we were able to sit
34:39
with a bike salesman and talk about
34:41
bikes for what an hour we sat there with
34:44
an hour no masks and we were able to sit
34:46
there for an hour and then we went over
34:49
to a restaurant across the street to
34:50
have lunch and we couldn’t sit down
34:52
because of social distancing and then we
34:55
said oh we need to go get some supplies
34:56
at Costco there’s hundreds of people in
34:59
Costco and we can stand in the aisle and
35:01
talk but I can’t go to the little
35:04
restaurant across the street and then I
35:07
stopped by Del Taco on the way home and
35:10
there was multiple workers in the back
35:12
and they’re making your food not
35:14
necessarily wearing masks and I’m going
35:17
how does this make sense where I can go
35:19
to someplace like Costco and mingle with
35:21
people but I can’t you can’t go to
35:23
church you can’t
35:24
go to restaurant it this sort of picking
35:27
and choosing to me and I ran this by dr.
35:30
with Taos Key this morning when I
35:31
interviewed him and I said does this
35:33
make sense to you as an epidemiologist
35:35
he said absolutely not
35:37
he said the virus will move through
35:40
society as as it does whether you lock
35:44
down or not people are making deliveries
35:46
people are going to Costco Home Depot
35:48
Walmart they’re shopping they’re going
35:51
to the beaches the virus is going to
35:53
move through society whether you lock it
35:55
down or not what do you think and
36:00
document see if you want to say anything
36:02
please jump in but what what do you
36:03
think will happen if we continue the
36:07
lockdown I mean you know we’re talking
36:09
about here in New York they’re gonna
36:11
release us sometime partially in mid-may
36:14
maybe you know other other places San
36:18
Francisco I think has just talked about
36:20
going through all of May and early June
36:24
being released so what what what these
36:26
from a health perspective what sort of
36:29
effects are we gonna see if we keep
36:31
people penned in for that long well I
36:35
think you’re gonna have a spike in cases
36:37
once we open up you’re definitely gonna
36:39
have a spike that’s unpreventable but I
36:43
think you have to look at the risks
36:45
versus the benefits of that spike is
36:47
that spike worth are the dangers of that
36:50
spike worth keeping folks home for
36:52
longer periods of time and I think you
36:55
have to open up in a systematic fashion
36:57
we’ve been avoiding the inevitable like
36:59
in other words as this is the Wachowski
37:01
and what you guys are seeing and seeing
37:04
is that this thing is going to have to
37:06
go through anyway and we’ve just
37:08
sheltered the wrong people in the wrong
37:09
ways we yeah I mean
37:12
referencing dr. kiseki out of Sweden and
37:16
he even said it best he says in order
37:19
for a virus to move through a community
37:22
you have to let it move through a
37:23
community you have to protect the old
37:25
and the frail you have to protect the
37:26
immunodeficient and you have to let it
37:29
move through the community to develop
37:31
her community excuse me a herd immunity
37:34
the longer we shelter in place the
37:37
longer social isolation occurs the
37:40
longer it’s going to take to reach that
37:42
70 to 80 percent mark of herd immunity
37:43
and so I think I think it’s inevitable
37:48
that folks are gonna get sick and
37:52
unfortunately some folks are not going
37:54
to do well with coronavirus but those
37:56
same folks wouldn’t are not going to do
37:58
well with influenza so unfortunately
38:03
some some folks I mean and it’s not
38:06
something physicians like to talk about
38:07
but some folks are not going to do well
38:10
with any virus because they’ve had four
38:13
heart attacks they have you know heart
38:15
failure or they have immunodeficiency or
38:18
they have you know really bad diabetes
38:21
or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
38:24
they’re not going to do well if they get
38:26
pneumonia they’re not going to do well
38:29
anyways so I think you have to protect
38:33
those folks and open up in a stepwise
38:35
fashion but I don’t think I think it’s
38:37
inevitable I think it’s gonna happen
38:38
whether you’re locked down or not just
38:41
briefly I mean you guys spoke so
38:43
eloquently about this during a press
38:45
conference but just imagining a new
38:47
audience here could you just briefly go
38:49
through what some of the health impacts
38:52
leaving the virus out of it for a moment
38:54
what are some of the health impacts of
38:56
remaining sheltered in this way it was
38:59
quarantined in this way well I think
39:03
it’s you know just from you know
39:05
patients coming in here we’re seeing a
39:07
lot of loneliness depression I don’t
39:11
have statistics I’m just merely
39:13
repeating what patients are telling us
39:15
coming in here I have business owners
39:17
today that have told me if we don’t
39:19
change in the next two weeks I’m likely
39:22
gonna go out of business and I have two
39:24
small businesses that have been
39:25
feeding my family for years other owners
39:28
of salons cosmetic industries that have
39:33
texting me about an hour ago said I
39:36
cannot I cannot keep my business going
39:39
like this I’ve had to let my employees
39:42
go they’re having some depression some
39:45
anxiety at home so I think we’re we’re
39:49
kind of in this together as Americans
39:50
we’re we’re lonely isolating from our
39:53
friends were away from our church
39:55
support groups we’re not seeing our
39:57
elderly parents so it’s causing a lot of
40:00
things in society a lot of I’m calling
40:02
it collateral damage that to me is
40:05
becoming the largest burden for us to
40:08
carry the the virus is a heavy load and
40:11
I don’t want to underestimate what
40:12
places like New York or going through
40:14
they’ve had a lot of death you know
40:16
they’ve they’ve had a lot of sickness
40:19
they’ve had a lot of fear but I also
40:21
want to look at the country as a whole
40:22
and say let’s be responsible and not let
40:26
the collateral damage spin out of
40:28
control to where it it’s a much bigger
40:31
problem than the virus itself do you
40:35
have anything to add to that doctor no I
40:38
think I think that’s right on and on top
40:40
of everything is you know folks are home
40:43
you know they’re they’re upset they’re
40:45
drinking because they don’t have a job
40:47
substance abuse is happening domestic
40:50
violence is happening child abuse is
40:53
occurring all all because of secondary
40:56
effects and I feel bad for the average
41:00
American they’re there at home they live
41:02
paycheck to paycheck they can’t survive
41:04
what are they gonna do if they’re in
41:05
lockdown for another two months they
41:07
don’t have a job they’re not getting
41:08
paid how are they supposed to feed their
41:10
children I mean we’re not interested in
41:13
that well and they they they say oh
41:15
don’t worry twelve hundred dollars is
41:17
coming but twelve hundred dollars that
41:19
doesn’t take you very far in this
41:21
economy if you have you know two or
41:23
three kids and you’ve got a house
41:25
payment and a couple cars 1200 is not
41:28
going to is not going to make up for the
41:30
two months of income you lost so I think
41:33
we just have to be real mindful of the
41:35
fact
41:36
that let’s do the greatest good for the
41:38
greatest number of people at this time
41:40
which is moving the economy the the
41:44
economy towards an open position let’s
41:47
let’s use let’s look at the the data
41:49
coming from Sweden and other places and
41:51
let’s see if we can learn something from
41:53
them and we want to be part of the
41:55
solution our ultimate goal is how is our
41:58
how is our knowledge and our our medical
42:01
practice and our opinions how do we get
42:03
them to be helpful and to be something
42:07
that we all can can work together on to
42:09
get the get the community open and get
42:11
us all back to work as physician how do
42:13
you feel when you see someone who
42:16
literally has no credentials as a doctor
42:19
or an epidemiologist I’m talking about
42:22
someone like Bill Gates now being asked
42:25
how to get out of this crisis you know
42:28
what his thoughts and opinions are on
42:31
all this I mean you guys have been
42:33
criticized for you know not having the
42:36
you know just the right credential to
42:39
talk about this though it seems to me as
42:41
physicians and doing the kind of work
42:43
you’re doing the testing you do but do
42:46
you it make does it seem strange to you
42:49
that someone like mr. gates should be
42:52
the Oracle of this no it’s what makes
42:56
America a great place to live we can
42:59
have dissenting opinions we can get
43:01
opinions from people with not with no
43:03
background we can go back and forth and
43:06
we’re not you know shooting at each
43:07
other this is this is what makes the
43:09
country great I welcome dissenting
43:11
opinions if if in this country we aren’t
43:13
allowed to make dissenting opinions then
43:16
we have a problem a lot of the different
43:18
countries don’t allow dissenting
43:20
opinions if you don’t agree with
43:22
everyone else you are hammered down in
43:25
this country we can have least I hope so
43:28
we can have an open debate you can share
43:30
your ideas I share my ideas and we come
43:33
up to a conclusion in a civil manner
43:35
that to me is a sophisticated society
43:38
well that’s what a liberal education is
43:40
a liberal education is
43:42
same thing being able to share ideas and
43:46
respecting each other’s ideas and
43:48
learning from each other respectfully
43:51
great answer guys I mean of course the
43:53
problem is is that Bill Gates has an
43:55
enormous platform and you guys were
43:57
taken off of yours right anyway yeah I
44:01
built Bill Gates has has provided an
44:03
incredible service I mean what a company
44:06
Microsoft has been you know there’s no
44:08
question about his credentials I think
44:11
people that have accomplished great
44:12
things I I welcome their ideas I don’t
44:16
you know when I when I think about Elon
44:18
Musk and some of these brilliant minds
44:21
if they want to chime in on the
44:22
discussion please let’s get around a
44:24
table let’s get this dialed in these
44:27
people are brilliant I am all for
44:30
solutions they’re right solution no
44:32
matter which mind it comes from if they
44:34
have a great solution let’s use that
44:36
mind let’s not let’s not get too
44:38
concerned with you don’t have the
44:40
perfect credentials to solve the problem
44:42
you mentioned that you were going around
44:44
to some of the stores and popping into
44:47
the gun store and that the ammo was was
44:50
gone missing and it had been all bought
44:52
up what what is your sense of the
44:54
temperature of the people in the
44:56
community how are they
44:58
enduring this and what are they thinking
45:00
well they’re generally frustrated I
45:02
think people are hurting right now I
45:04
think that’s a pretty common feeling in
45:06
Kern County and different areas I’ve
45:08
driven to is people are afraid they’re
45:11
in lockdown they’re not working I mean
45:13
there’s that there’s a sense of
45:14
frustration I think frustration I mean
45:17
our our video got millions of hits and a
45:19
lot of the people are like finally
45:22
someone is is pushing forward for a
45:24
solution to get us back to work and and
45:27
help to decrease the collateral damage
45:29
so I would say from my readings
45:31
frustration is the number one thing I’m
45:33
hearing from Americans who are not
45:35
allowed to carry on with their life
45:37
right now do you think that the people
45:39
in your community would submit to a
45:42
mandatory vaccination regime
45:45
little bit vaccine I don’t think so I
45:47
think it’s appropriate to give give
45:49
people the option for a vaccine like flu
45:52
you know when you start telling people
45:54
you have to do something you have no
45:57
choice you know hurt it helps to herd
46:00
immunity the vaccination is increases
46:03
our peak towards herd immunity
46:06
it’ll happen regardless but it is
46:08
helpful there’s no question about that
46:10
so I I don’t think we should force
46:12
people to have a vaccine
46:13
okay now final words from you guys just
46:16
anything you want to address I think we
46:18
just this is a time where we should all
46:21
listen to each other learn from each
46:23
other and come up with solutions to move
46:26
to move California for and move the
46:28
country forward and that was our our
46:32
goal when we gave the press conference
46:34
is to kind of chat with our community we
46:37
didn’t think it was going to go viral
46:38
and global but we just wanted to share
46:42
our data and and you know show folks
46:47
that this is this is what we found and
46:49
what we would appreciate is constructive
46:52
criticism and a solution a solution to
46:56
open America back up again
47:06
you


1,722 posted on 07/06/2020 3:43:55 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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No, that’s not true. It’s very succinct and logical.


1,723 posted on 07/13/2020 1:34:53 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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