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Libya: A Catastrophe for Russia’s Pantsir S1 Air Defense System
Real Clear Defense ^ | June 19, 2020 | Altan A. Ozler

Posted on 06/22/2020 5:44:51 AM PDT by C19fan

Last month has proven to be catastrophic for the credibility of one of Russia’s most touted air defense systems. The troubles for the Pantsir S1 air defense system in Libya began when Khalifa Haftar’s yearlong Tripoli offensive against the Ankara-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) began to collapse.

Believed to have been supplied to the Libyan strongman as early as last year by his backers in the Gulf, the Russian system was meant to be used as a trump card against Turkey’s combat unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) air interdiction operations. Yet, after a major GNA counteroffensive last month, and the retaking of the strategic Al-Watiya airbase and key suburbs in Tripoli, it became clear that the system had been trounced. Analysis of open source data has estimated that up to 9 Pantsir units were lost in quick succession to UAV strikes during May, with footage of the strikes going viral on social media. To add insult to injury, a tenth Pantsir system was dramatically captured by GNA forces, and to great fanfare paraded through Tripoli as a war trophy. It is speculated that the captured Pantsir’s final fate is to be picked apart for intelligence purposes.

(Excerpt) Read more at realcleardefense.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: aa; abudhabi; benghazi; dubai; erdogan; gna; iran; iraq; khalifahaftar; kurdistan; libya; lna; qasemsoleimani; qatar; qudsforce; receptayyiperdogan; russia; turkey
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The Pantsir is the latest in the family tree of tactical Soviet/Russian AA systems going back to the ZSU-23-4 Shilka. The Pantsir is armed with 2 30 MM AA Cannons and AA missiles
1 posted on 06/22/2020 5:44:51 AM PDT by C19fan
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Apparently they make great targets.................


2 posted on 06/22/2020 5:46:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (Always trust God............but wash your hands......................)
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I guess I’m out of touch — Is Turkey having a war with Libya?


3 posted on 06/22/2020 5:50:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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This has been way under the radar. Another proxy war between the Gulf Sunni states and Turkey.


4 posted on 06/22/2020 5:51:24 AM PDT by C19fan
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Libya is not really a state but just a geographic entity. Turkey is supporting one side trying to take control and the Arab states the other side.


5 posted on 06/22/2020 5:52:58 AM PDT by C19fan
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Another B.O. success story.


6 posted on 06/22/2020 5:55:39 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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May there be lots of casualties and expense.

Couldn’t be more deserving opponents. Can we get Iran involved too?


7 posted on 06/22/2020 5:55:39 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Black FATHERS Matter)
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In the latter category, the operational capabilities of conscript armies in failed states such as Libya and Syria must not be compared to those of modern professional militaries.


This point cannot be emphasized enough. These systems are very sophisticated, so its crucial that it be operated by trained personnel. Not just people who read the training manuals, but they have to practice with it in simulated engagements. I am sure the Russian personnel do this, but probably not the host nations No matter how capable the system, it is likely useless if its being operated by neophytes.


8 posted on 06/22/2020 5:56:18 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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Pantsir S1...

Sounds about as worthless as our former Pantsuit NO-1 defense system used in Benghazi, Libya...


9 posted on 06/22/2020 6:00:17 AM PDT by moovova
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Actually troubles for the Pantsir were revealed during Turkey’s incursion into Syria. Turkish drones had a field day picking off Pantsir units. The Turks just transferred their knowledge/experience to Libya.


10 posted on 06/22/2020 6:00:42 AM PDT by Godzilla ( I just love the smell of COVFEFE in the morning . . . .)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Way behind.

Now Turkey is at war with Egypt.


11 posted on 06/22/2020 6:00:55 AM PDT by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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Saudi Arabia is tired of subsidizing and feeding Egypt. The Saudis now pay for 25% of France’s grain harvest to send to Egypt as well as subsidizing the cost of fuel and salaries for the military. Libya is the big prize. It has huge oil reserves and a small population. Egypt does not have much oil and a huge population. Soon the old “United Arab Republic”, at least the combination of Libya and Egypt, will be reconstituted.


12 posted on 06/22/2020 6:02:40 AM PDT by allendale
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“I guess I’m out of touch — Is Turkey having a war with Libya?”

It’s on the list to get to. Had to deal first with Wuhan virus, riots, locust, murder hornets.
This war is is one of many that is on the pending list.


13 posted on 06/22/2020 6:02:59 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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Youtube’s South Front and R&U pages keep track of Middle East wars with a Russian taint. But with better than our media’s silence.


14 posted on 06/22/2020 6:37:12 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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After Obama and Clinton turned assassinated Khaddafy (cackle, cackle) and unleashed all of North Africa on Europe, Libya has been in total chaos.


15 posted on 06/22/2020 6:38:46 AM PDT by PGR88
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Libya has a strong man? I thought we got rid of Qaddafi. Arab Spring and all that Hillary rot.


16 posted on 06/22/2020 6:40:50 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To be fair, Russian is a hard language to learn, especially if you are already illiterate and drunk, and 30mm shells were extra...


17 posted on 06/22/2020 7:16:05 AM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!))
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To: C19fan

I had to read the OP three times to discern what is going on. Lot’s of inside baseball and acronym’s.


18 posted on 06/22/2020 7:22:11 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: moovova

Rainbow coalition?


19 posted on 06/22/2020 7:23:05 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: allendale

The old U.A.R. of Syria and Egypt was led by the megalomaniac Nasser, whose intent was to create a unified Arab crescent across the Middle East. Of course, Israel stood in the way.

Libya was once ruled by King Idris, a western ally who gave us Wheelus AFB. He was overthrown by Gadaffi in 1969, who then expelled U.S. forces and was Egypt’s sworn enemy until his death in 2011.

Saudi subsidizes Egypt’s food? Wow. Guess the Nile delta isn’t productive enough. I thought the Aswan High Dam was supposed to fix all that. We have a pro-U.S. ruler in Cairo but he’s sitting on a population volcano.

The Middle East will never be at peace. Too many greedy men with modern weapons, and too many failed states.


20 posted on 06/22/2020 7:38:28 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Pres. Trump doesn't wear glasses. That's because he's got 2020.")
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