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Casablanca: Whom Did Ilsa Really Desire?
Daily Beast ^ | Michael Tomasky

Posted on 03/03/2020 2:09:02 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I would have chosen Lazlo ever since I saw him in Now Voyager!.....with Bette Davis


21 posted on 03/03/2020 2:23:59 PM PST by Guenevere (Press On!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Answer:

“I don’t know what to think anymore. You’ll have to do the thinking for both of us.”

~~ Ilsa Lund.


22 posted on 03/03/2020 2:26:09 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Click my screen name for an analysis on how HIllary wins next November.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

The premise of the film, center around the letters of transit—
But there was no such things during the war.


23 posted on 03/03/2020 2:26:10 PM PST by itsLUCKY2B (?Borders, Language, and Culture.?)
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To: llevrok

“I’d love to see a “sequel”, either as a book or film, on what happened to Victor,Lund and Rick.”

Nope. Even setting aside that you really couldn’t replace the amazing actors who made the roles iconic classics, some stories are just meant to have an end. The same with most the classics - you get the one shot at perfection and hit it. Anything that tries to come after it just isn’t the same.


24 posted on 03/03/2020 2:26:20 PM PST by LouieFisk
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’m no good at being noble, but it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little people don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world.
Especially that ahole Romney.


25 posted on 03/03/2020 2:28:36 PM PST by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’m shocked, shocked to find that such a debate is going on in here!


26 posted on 03/03/2020 2:30:41 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: llevrok
I’d love to see a “sequel”, either as a book or film, on what happened to Victor,Lund and Rick.

Theres's a book called "Suspects" by David Thomson that sort of expands and knits together the lives of a bunch of movie characters. In that, Victor Laszlo gets caught up in the HUAC investigations of the late 1940s, is blacklisted as a communist, and ends up returning to Europe where he dies of emphysema a few years later. Ilsa goes to work for the UN and dies in the plane crash with Dag Hammarskjold.

27 posted on 03/03/2020 2:32:19 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Her husband.


28 posted on 03/03/2020 2:32:33 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: itsLUCKY2B

“Cannot be rescinded. Cannot be questioned.” Yeah, right.


29 posted on 03/03/2020 2:33:17 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: cherry

I would take Rick personally....”

He would abandon you to go fight for some underdog somewhere...so forget it.


30 posted on 03/03/2020 2:34:28 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

Agree.


31 posted on 03/03/2020 2:34:30 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Sorry, but a debate from The Daily Beast don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world to me.

-PJ

32 posted on 03/03/2020 2:34:50 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: Skooz

Laszlo was the coolest, smoothest, suavist dude who ever lived.”

Yep! I noticed that too. Very Continental.


33 posted on 03/03/2020 2:35:48 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

😂😂👍🏻


34 posted on 03/03/2020 2:35:55 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.cuase)
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To: llevrok

Ilsa also loved Victor. When she met Rick and fell in love with him, she mistakenly thought Victor was dead at the hands of the Germans, making Rick a rebound relationship. When Ilsa learns of Victor’s survival and that he desperately needs her help, it was good bye Rick, not “Victor, I’ve moved on. Call Travellers Aid.” When Ilsa meets Rick in Casablanca, she has to chose between two men she genuinely loves.


35 posted on 03/03/2020 2:36:27 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

She “desired” Rick but she was still married to Victor and felt obligated to stay with him. That’s why when she learned he was still alive she left Rick in Paris.


36 posted on 03/03/2020 2:36:56 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Sam.


37 posted on 03/03/2020 2:37:25 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: Red Badger

Rick: Last night we said a great many things. You said I was to do the thinking for both of us. Well, I’ve done a lot of it since then, and it all adds up to one thing: you’re getting on that plane with Victor where you belong.

Ilsa: But, Richard, no, I... I...

Rick: Now, you’ve got to listen to me! You have any idea what you’d have to look forward to if you stayed here? Nine chances out of ten, we’d both wind up in a concentration camp. Isn’t that true, Louie?

Captain Renault: I’m afraid Major Strasser would insist.

Ilsa: You’re saying this only to make me go.

Rick: I’m saying it because it’s true. Inside of us, we both know you belong with Victor. You’re part of his work, the thing that keeps him going. If that plane leaves the ground and you’re not with him, you’ll regret it. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of your life.

Ilsa: But what about us?

Rick: We’ll always have Paris. We didn’t have, we, we lost it until you came to Casablanca. We got it back last night.

Ilsa: When I said I would never leave you.

Rick: And you never will. But I’ve got a job to do, too. Where I’m going, you can’t follow. What I’ve got to do, you can’t be any part of. Ilsa, I’m no good at being noble, but it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little people don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you’ll understand that.

[Ilsa lowers her head and begins to cry]

Rick: Now, now...

[Rick gently places his hand under her chin and raises it so their eyes meet]

Rick: Here’s looking at you kid.


38 posted on 03/03/2020 2:38:19 PM PST by xp38
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To: cherry

You have to remember, there was a war going on and personal feelings were put on the back burner for more important things..................


39 posted on 03/03/2020 2:38:31 PM PST by Red Badger (If people were to God like dogs are to people, the world would be a really great place..............)
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To: itsLUCKY2B
The letters of transit are what Alfred Hitchcock called a MacGuffin"--something necessary for the plot but just made up. Like the falcon in "The Maltese Falcon."

Rick comes back to the US in 1945 at the end of the war, finds that Victor has been run over by a drunk driver, so he and Ilsa live happily ever after.

40 posted on 03/03/2020 2:39:54 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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