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Casablanca: Whom Did Ilsa Really Desire?
Daily Beast ^ | Michael Tomasky

Posted on 03/03/2020 2:09:02 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

Let's stop arguing about Mitt Romney and argue about something else for a couple hours. I'm presently in a discussion with some friends about whether Isla Lund really wanted to end up with Rick Blaine or Victor Laszlo. If you need to Google these names, skip this post.

I say she wanted to be with Rick. The explication here begins in the scene where she shows up at Rick's apartment holding a gun at him, and he says, "Go ahead and shoot; you'll be doing me a favor." Got it? Okay.

When she got there, she demanded the letters of transit for herself and Victor. That's when she pulled the heat. But she couldn't shoot. She melted into his arms and said roughly: Richard, you have to do the thinking for both of us. All I know is I love you and have always loved you.

At that point, I think it's clear she's flipped over to Rick. I think she even says to him, you will help Victor now, if I stay with you. Then Victor shows up, and then Capt. Renault. And then comes The Moment.

It's when Rick instructs Renault to sign the letters of transit--"in the names of Ilsa Lund and Victor Laszlo." The camera cuts to Ilsa at that moment, and there is clear shock on her face, and the violins go, da-DUM. I could go on, but that is the key moment. She is obviously shocked that Rick is sending her off with Victor.

The opposite case, near as I can approximate it, is that yes, she had the hots for Rick, but she really loved Victor, and she used Rick...Let's hear what you think.

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TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: bergman; bogart; casablanca; movies
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1 posted on 03/03/2020 2:09:02 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

She really loved Rick, but he was not in the same class..................


2 posted on 03/03/2020 2:11:49 PM PST by Red Badger (If people were to God like dogs are to people, the world would be a really great place..............)
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To: Red Badger

Rick, of course!


3 posted on 03/03/2020 2:12:39 PM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Laszlo was the coolest, smoothest, suavist dude who ever lived.


4 posted on 03/03/2020 2:13:16 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

It could have been the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Different, and more modern.

As an aside, she is wonderful in that movie.


5 posted on 03/03/2020 2:13:29 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Karl took her to her home, - in Casa B.


6 posted on 03/03/2020 2:14:30 PM PST by EnglishOnly (eWFight all out to win OR get out now. .)
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To: gcparent

Round up the usual suspects!......................


7 posted on 03/03/2020 2:16:01 PM PST by Red Badger (If people were to God like dogs are to people, the world would be a really great place..............)
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“Let’s stop arguing about Mitt Romney”

Who’s arguing about Pierre? I don’t spend any time thinking about that POS. And yeah Rick is the one.


8 posted on 03/03/2020 2:16:28 PM PST by gibsonguy
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Her heart was with Rick, but her mind was with Victor.


9 posted on 03/03/2020 2:16:28 PM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: Red Badger
when Victor lead the orchestra and crowd in Le Marseilles the (sp?) Illa had that adoring look on her face....she loved Victor....

I would take Rick personally....

10 posted on 03/03/2020 2:16:47 PM PST by cherry
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Of course Ilsa loved Rick and expected to go with him, not Victor. If otherwise, then Rick sacrifices little in sending Ilsa off to America with Victor. And without that sacrifice, the story lacks a satisfying melodramatic resolution.


11 posted on 03/03/2020 2:19:59 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Red Badger

She loved them both, but in different ways. Laszlo was the idealist whom she loved & respected. Rick was the passionate, more physical lover. She probably wanted to stay with Rick, but new she was needed for something higher with Victor.


12 posted on 03/03/2020 2:19:59 PM PST by Twotone (While one may vote oneself into socialism one has to shoot oneself out of it.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Yikes....that’s like trying to figure out if Rocky Sullivan really went out a coward or if he faked it to accommodate the request of his childhood pal Father Jerry.....


13 posted on 03/03/2020 2:20:11 PM PST by Mopp4
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To: Skooz
He was a hero of the anti-Nazi underground. I think that gives him a lot of cachet.
14 posted on 03/03/2020 2:20:34 PM PST by Tax-chick (You're only one book away from a very good mood. (Washington County, UT, Library)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
She's a terribly written, wishy-washy character. Bergman herself said that she had no clue how to play it because it wasn't in the script and neither the writers nor the director knew what to tell her.

Casablanca is a wonderful example of the studio system at its peak, with a ton of amazing character actors and some great lines, but as an actual story, uh, not so much. And I say that as someone who has seen it 50 times and can recite most of it.

15 posted on 03/03/2020 2:20:38 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’d love to see a “sequel”, either as a book or film, on what happened to Victor,Lund and Rick.

How did Rick’s decision for her and him play out by war’s end?


16 posted on 03/03/2020 2:21:35 PM PST by llevrok (Vote while it is still legal)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Neither. She was secretly having a torrid fling Sam.


17 posted on 03/03/2020 2:21:50 PM PST by LouieFisk
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Now I have to dig out the DVD and watch it again.


18 posted on 03/03/2020 2:21:52 PM PST by Veggie Todd (Voltaire: "Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool".)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

I’m going to drag Harry Burns and Sally Albright into this conversation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezZTSlzv6Zw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlC22jBCO7k

Ingrid Bergman is low maintenance, Sally is high maintenance but thinks she is low maintenance...


19 posted on 03/03/2020 2:23:07 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Atsk about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: Rockingham

Did she love Victor or what all 3 of them loved- freedom from Nazi oppression ?


20 posted on 03/03/2020 2:23:33 PM PST by llevrok (Vote while it is still legal)
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