Another video of chemical disinfection in the streets of Wuhan #coronavirus
Posted on 02/14/2020 9:45:49 AM PST by bolobaby
The SARS "epidemic" lasted from 1 November 2002 – 31 July 2003 (9 months). During that time there were...
8,096 total cases worldwide (5,327 in China)
774 total fatalities (349 in China)
...which gave us a fatality rate of 9.6% (6.6% in China).
Take a good look at those numbers. When you exclude China, the global fatality rate for SARS was 15.3%. This includes a 17.1% fatality rate in the socialized-medicine utopia otherwise known as Canada. Other notable rates - Hong Kong @ 17.0% and Singapore @ 13.9%. Both of the latter countries are well known for excellent healthcare in the region. Also notable: total cases in Japan were ZERO. (Make a note of this for later.)
It's clear that at 6.6%, China was not fully reporting fatalities from SARS.
The important thing to bear in mind is that fatality rate can only be determined from RESOLVED cases. That is, you are either recovered or dead. The stats for SARS are set in stone because we know how all those cases turned out.
Why do I bring this up?
Well, let's look at the current numbers for Coronavirus:
64,457 total cases worldwide (63,863 in China)
1,384 total fatalities (1,381 in China)
...BUT ONLY...
7,155 recovered (7,072 in China)
THEREFORE, for *resolved* cases, the current fatality rate *in China* is 1,381/(1,381 + 7,072) = 16.3%.
Let me take a moment to recognize that this number is likely to come down significantly as groups of patients come off longstanding quarantines. Just how far it comes down we don't know.
Let's also recognize that China is a bunch of lying communist pricks. They lied about their 6.6% SARS fatality rate, and are clearly lying here. So, even if the 16.3% number comes down, it will still not be an accurate representation of the true fatality rate in China. In the end, will their BOGUS number be higher or lower than the 6.6% SARS rate?
The rest of the world, with BETTER health care than mainland China reported a fatality rate from SARS that was 2.3x the mortality rate in China. So whatever number China winds up with, the rest of the world could very easily be 2.3x that.
Now - let's talk about basic reproduction rate, R0 (pronounced "r naught").
SARS lasted 9 months and infected only 8,096 people worldwide. The 64,457 cases for Coronavirus mentioned above starts from January 20th. In other words, not even one month ago. So, in about 10% of the time we've already got 8x times as many infected. I'm going to repeat that...
In 10% of the time, 8x more people have gotten Coronavirus compared to SARS.
If it was just a straight extrapolation across 9 months, that would mean we'd see over 600,000 cases worldwide. Maybe a little more, maybe a little less as it winds down.
Here's the problem with infectious diseases, though, as the infection rate goes up, it doesn't go up LINEARLY but EXPONENTIALLY.
What is R0?
This number is essentially the infection rate. An infection rate of 1.28 (about average for the "normal" flu) means that for every one person that gets sick, they are likely to get 1.28 people sick until something changes, such as the season. (In the flu's case, things like seasonal temperature change eventually help to kill off the virus.)
An R0 of 2 means that from patient zero to the 4th generation infected, you have 15 total infected.
An R0 of 3 means that from patient zero to the 4th generation infected, you have 40 total infected.
An R0 of 4 means that from patient zero to the 4th generation infected, you have 85 total infected.
Doubling the R0 from 2 to 4 means a *potential* to increase the infected 5.7x.
We readily use the flu vaccine in the United States. The flu has a low R0 of about 1.28 on average. Despite that, about 10% of Americans get the flu every year. The pandemic strain of the flu was estimated to have an R0 of 2-3.
So what is the R0 of Coronavirus? Well, because China is asshole, we don't yet know, but consider this: the R0 of SARS was somewhere between 2-5. That's pretty bad... but wait! Millions get the flu every year and only 8,096 got SARS. WTF? Well, this is because we were able to do a decent job containing and quarantining SARS. We're a little more lax with the flu even though it kills tens of thousands of Americans every year.
Right now, the best estimate for Coronavirus's R0 is 4.7–6.6 (source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.07.20021154v1.full.pdf) That's a VERY big number. We can see the impact this number is having on the total number infected and how hard it has been to contain compared to SARS.
Remember that I mentioned Japan had no cases of SARS? Well they have 29 cases of Coronavirus already and we're just getting started.
You can see that China is having trouble with containment from the news and videos that have leaked out. With SARS, we saw some people walking around with masks on. THIS TIME China...
On top of that, China reports that more than 500 health care workers have tested positive. These are people who are supposed to be taking the strictest measures to avoid infection. They're the ones you see decked out in full protective gear.
The bottom line - China is having serious trouble containing the infection. Many, many more are being infected in a much shorter period than prior epidemics. The R0 is high enough to suggest that a LARGE percentage of the world's population will be exposed.
Now, you may be thinking: this is 'Murica! We're not some backwater country like China! We can handle an outbreak!
Well, yes and no, Freepers.
It's true we've got some of the greatest health care in the world. We are also uniquely capable of handling situations like this without the authoritarian measures a country like China needs to take.
But...
I want you to remember that the SARS fatality rate for the "civilized" world was 2.3x HIGHER than China's reported rate. So far, the reported rate in China isn't looking great.
The biggest danger to our country, however, comes from South America. If Coronavirus hits South America, and starts spreading like wildfire as in China, people will come RUNNING for our southern border hoping to both escape and get medical care. Even if we close the border, we know some will get through. They'll head for relatives in any number of cities throughout the country, bring the virus with them. Given the fact that the incubation period for this virus can be up to 2 weeks, they may not even be sick or know they have been exposed. Now we'll be fighting pockets of infection all over the place.
This thing has the potential to get out of hand fast. It's both infectious and deadly. Viral medications are harder to come by than antibiotics. You need to be ready to protect yourself from getting the infection in the first place! Be ready to shelter in place for weeks if needed.
I could go into the various ways to prepare, but this post is long enough. Track the progress of the virus here, but don't believe the numbers coming of China. They're bullshit and don't reflect how truly bad it is: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Not sure if I buy everything this particular dude is saying, but it’s probably closer to the truth than what the CCP releases.
Another video of chemical disinfection in the streets of Wuhan #coronavirus
All known cases have been controlled. To quote Donald Rumsfeld:
Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.What we don't know today is how many people in the US have corona, but don't know it, think it is the flu, or aren't symptomatic yet. Seems unlikely that we have identified and contained 100%. There are still regular flights from China to the US every day. US airlines have cancelled flights, but Asian airlines like China Eastern are still flying back and forth between China and the US every day.
One of the people diagnosed with #coronavirus in the UK attended a conference near parliament last week along with about 250 other delegates
You can only calculate the fatality rate from resolved cases. Once all those unresolved cases are resolved one way or the other, we’ll have better numbers. (HA! CCP numbers are BS! We all know this.) But what we have now is what we have to work with.
But the reason that the numbers in Wuhan are so high, and everywhere else seems so much lower (including the rest of mainland China) is because the medical facilities in Wuhan have been overwhelmed. This is not the case outside of China.
Containment is key. Anywhere containment fails will go the way of Wuhan once the medical facilities are saturated.
Containment is key.
The southern border should be closed NOW. 100% shut down. We have no idea what’s happening in Central America, but we do know there is a significant Chinese presence there. Same for Africa, but we don’t get migrant caravans from Africa (but Europe does, sort of...)
It’s probably too late, but quarantines and restrictions will slow the Wuhanic Plague down, at least somewhat, and probably save lives. Were it my purview I’d start shutting down international travel from any place with a significant number of infected, and so forth. But, as I said, it’s probably too late.
39° or thereabouts.
Oh well, was going to tell you to get some rays. Thought you were in socal.
Hope you’re better soon!
That’s right, folks! This crap could kill off nearly 40 percent of Americans who get it.
Prepare for self-isolation, and for you gun enthusiasts out there, BLOAT.
PING!
True. This illness can last for several weeks before it concludes.
I would multiply the no. of dead by 10 as well; they are certainly lowballing their mortality numbers.
I actually hope you’re right, but bolobaby’s best guesstimate is the one I would prefer to use for now.
Many on this thread need a xanax the size of a basketball :-)
I’m still going to go get my mail.
Let’s all post our latitude, for SCIENCE!
46.5° N
“If 10x more people have it, and the confirmed dead is the same, then doesn’t that nose-dive the mortality rate?”
You’re assuming the confirmed dead number is accurate, when it is just as likely to be bogus as the confirmed infected number. Probably by the same factor.
There is empirical evidence that there are many, many more dead. The Chinese quarantined whole cities and shut down their whole economy for what is clearly not just a case of the sniffles, or the flu.
“Upper respiratory stuffiness”
As I understand it, the Wuhanic Plague presents as pneumonia and it’s lower respiratory. You might live. I could be wrong on either count, though.
I think you should.
“COVID-19 is 30 times more deadly than the seasonal flu based on current numbers.
2.1% vs 0.07%”
Assuming everybody currently confirmed infected recovers. I wouldn’t count on it.
LOL
https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/azel.html
If solar elevation is at least 50deg, you’ll make vitamin D in the sun.
I used to get pretty badly sunburned (face) on winter ski trips, sometimes up in British Columbia. And I have a medium olive complexion. Of course, reflection off the snow and elevation/altitude has a lot to do with that.
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