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Lockheed Martin Potentially Mixed Up Structural Fasteners in Most F-35s
Airforce Magazine ^ | 01/30/20 | John A. Tirpak

Posted on 02/13/2020 7:01:34 AM PST by Enlightened1

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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
...spokeswoman said the two parts are "very difficult to distinguish, visually."
I hate to dogpile on, but building otherwise identical bolts suggests the switcheroo was intended all along.

41 posted on 02/13/2020 8:39:38 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: faucetman
Except there are supposed to be about THREE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED Inconel ($20) bolts PER AIRPLANE!

$72,000 worth of bolts is a decent chunk of money.

I did some work for a defense contractor many years ago. They tend to be rather meticulous about inventory of expensive parts.

I find it hard to believe that their cost accounting system didn't spit out an alert when fewer than the correct number of bolts were checked out of parts inventory. There SURE AS HELL would have been alerts if more than the expected amount were being checked out.

42 posted on 02/13/2020 8:42:58 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: SunkenCiv
I hate to dogpile on, but building otherwise identical bolts suggests the switcheroo was intended all along.

The engineering world has a maxim called "Murphy's Law", which goes "If anything CAN go wrong, it WILL".

This is not an expression of pessimism. It is an instruction to the engineer, that he MAKES SURE to minimize the number of ways that things could go wrong. Like making electrical plugs intended for different voltages and power levels physically different, so that a plug CAN NOT be placed in a wrong outlet. Like making sure a part CAN NOT be inserted backwards or upside down.

In this case, the engineers failed in their duty to ensure that the wrong type of bolt COULD NOT be mistakenly installed where it wasn't supposed to go.

43 posted on 02/13/2020 8:51:18 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." -- Voltaire)
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To: montag813
And how much have taxpayers paid Lockheed for this model?

I don't know, but I have a feeling that those aircraft will be arriving at Davis-Monthan earlier than planned.

44 posted on 02/13/2020 8:51:52 AM PST by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Enlightened1

The tedious, paperwork-intensive “Subsafe” program is supposed to prevent this from happening on our submarines (and seems to be extremely effective). I hope contractors can improve their quality control on aircraft without going that far overboard.


45 posted on 02/13/2020 8:54:36 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: PapaBear3625
In this case, the engineers failed in their duty to ensure that the wrong type of bolt COULD NOT be mistakenly installed where it wasn't supposed to go.

You have decoded the problem. You are exactly right. We aerospace engineers always specify design differences when possible, to prevent interchangeable parts from being used.

However it is not always possible. Here you have two fasteners with identical sizes and threads. Only the material is different. The design selected should have been the weaker fastener so that a mistake would make the system better. Shame on the engineers in this case if there are places where the stronger fastener is the only one that will work. In these locations, LM needs to fix the product. And I worked for LM. System engineers know what I am talking about.

46 posted on 02/13/2020 9:14:38 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (retired aerospace engineer and CSP who also taught)
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To: rktman

Yes they are. And often in areas that once the assembly is complete very hard to access.


Kind of like that $15 gasket in the middle of your engine that costs about $1200+ to have the engine pulled, disassembled, reassembled, and reinstalled?


47 posted on 02/13/2020 9:23:36 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton

Or perhaps like a power steering pump on a Volvo s80 V8 that the intake manifolds had to be removed to access one friggin bolt. And NO aftermarket pumps anywhere. Strictly from Volvo. Repair the old one? Yeah, right. No chance of that these days. Oh well. :-)


48 posted on 02/13/2020 9:40:05 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: grobdriver

There is an old racing expression:

“When in doubt-—Make it stout”.


49 posted on 02/13/2020 9:51:50 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Enlightened1

Congrats on your new F-35.

It is the most over-engineered most cheaply built warplane ever. Only the finest and strongest materials and parts, some interchangeable, are used in its design and construction.

Disclaimer: Some disassembly and reassembly required. Armaments pods available at a ridiculously marked down price.

(/sarc)


50 posted on 02/13/2020 10:27:52 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!! The UN is so old and dated.)
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To: Moonman62
Obviously, it would take an enormous amount of resources to make them look different /s

Obviously hiring people with the 'enormous' mental facilities it must take to visually inspect the bolt you are inserting into a critical juncture has the proper identifying number must be beyond human resources ability..........but I digress, these must be union yobs. I believe it is common engineering practice to identify bolts by a number/letter combination. They charge enough for these damn bolts without re engineering and setting up a special production line.

The answer is simple, every one involved in the assembly needs to do their damn job! Where the hell was the QC Inspector when all this was going on and do they still have their job and if so WHY!

51 posted on 02/13/2020 10:35:28 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: PapaBear3625
Probably did it to save money [koff koff] during prototyping and design testing.

52 posted on 02/13/2020 11:07:54 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Enlightened1

If the ‘bolts’ are the same size did they mess up even worse by also putting on the incorrect collar(nut)?


53 posted on 02/13/2020 12:19:14 PM PST by penguinhunter
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To: Enlightened1
“very difficult to distinguish, visually.” except for a number stamped on them, AND THE PRICE!!!
54 posted on 02/13/2020 4:43:09 PM PST by Chode (Send bachelors and come heavily armed.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
One thing I've found rather odd in life is the frequency of "mistakes" that work to the benefit of the party making them.

One of my pet peeves. Defies probability.

55 posted on 02/14/2020 8:47:48 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Behind enemy lines)
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