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The final report will come out probably sometime next year...
1 posted on 02/08/2020 6:57:41 AM PST by L.A.Justice
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He should have been cautious. I don’t know the ceiling of that particular helicopter, but I do know that it isn’t wise to push the limit to the flight ceiling.


2 posted on 02/08/2020 6:59:15 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death by cultsther)
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Here is the 11 page preliminary report:

https://ntsb.gov/investigations/Documents/DCA20MA059-Investigative-Update.pdf


4 posted on 02/08/2020 7:04:14 AM PST by EVO X
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I think he went spatial disorientation; didn’t bother focusing on instruments. Secondly it’s been reported that the company wasn’t cleared for their flights into IMC.


5 posted on 02/08/2020 7:05:10 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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The helicopter was just 100 feet from the cloud tops and conceivably would have broken through into clear air in a matter of seconds.

...

Missed it by that much.


6 posted on 02/08/2020 7:05:37 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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Spatial Disorientation, it didn’t help that he was doing 165 knots, he could have been going 20 knots and hovered over the freeway, unfortunately getthereitis is all too often a fatal decision.


7 posted on 02/08/2020 7:07:17 AM PST by eyeamok
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"The NTSB update didn’t make any conclusion about what caused the Jan. 26 crash in Calabasas"

Controlled flight into terrain.

VRF pilot flying well beyond his capabilities in IFR weather.

8 posted on 02/08/2020 7:08:34 AM PST by null and void (The democrats just can't get over the fact that they lost an election they themselves rigged!)
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So, am inferring that turning at high speed, low visibility is super dangerous for that reason? Centrifugal force makes you think you’re going up, not down?


9 posted on 02/08/2020 7:08:39 AM PST by Missouri gal
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His pilot had the flattest chrome dome i have ever seen. Image result for kobe pilot
10 posted on 02/08/2020 7:09:20 AM PST by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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Still going to be pilot error


11 posted on 02/08/2020 7:09:31 AM PST by fso301
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In the back of my mind I am thinking the pilot had a sudden heart problem, or a stroke, rendering control of the aircraft impossible.


12 posted on 02/08/2020 7:13:43 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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Bm


15 posted on 02/08/2020 7:16:42 AM PST by olesigh
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May I commit sacrilege here and criticize the late Mr. Bryant? Early reports stated that his pilot was not instrument rated. Which means he should NOT have taken off in VFR conditions, but was ordered to do so by his employer. Was Bryant too “frugal” to employ an instrument rated pilot? (Assuming that an IFR Rating commands more $$$$ than VFR does).


19 posted on 02/08/2020 7:25:26 AM PST by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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Something tells me this is the end of VFR-only commercial flight services...and I’m astounded they were even permitted in this day.


24 posted on 02/08/2020 7:34:06 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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Some thoughts from an old, crusty, retired Army WO with 34 years of experience flying helos as a military and commercial pilot worldwide up until 2017.
Not throwing rocks, just observations, and very sad to see this happen.

—Possible (in this case probable) flight into Inadvertent Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IIMC) should be included in planning before every flight. The “5 C’s” need to be second nature if IIMC happens.
—Expect spatial disorientation.
—No telling what the passengers were saying/doing while the helo ascended into the clouds (pilot has one more thing to deal with....). I won’t elaborate, but can assure you, they weren’t just sitting there being quiet.
—Two pilots always better than one, especially when flying under instrument rules (comes at a cost...).
—Data recorders (voice, instrument, powertrain, etc.) add immense value to figuring out what happened and when. Also comes at a cost.
—Qualification does not mean proficiency.
—Have the balls to say, “This weather sucks, I’m turning around”. You might be looking for a job when you land, but you and your pax will be alive. (((I did it multiple times, got cursed and yelled at, but never fired))).


29 posted on 02/08/2020 8:08:26 AM PST by SakoL61R
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Deetz said Zobayan previously had told him that he did not have actual experience flying in clouds, despite being certified.

You practice with a hood until keeping the copter right is 2nd nature. In sudden blind situations your inner ear can get ahead of your eyes on the instruments.


36 posted on 02/08/2020 8:37:31 AM PST by TalBlack (Damn right I'll "do something" you fat, balding son of a bitc)
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The helicopter was just 100 feet from the cloud tops and conceivably would have broken through into clear air in a matter of seconds. Air traffic controllers had advised Zobayan that the cloud tops were at 2,400 feet. Camera footage later reviewed by the NTSB showed nearby clouds at that estimated height.

Yeah, but then what?

They were on their way to Camarillo Airport, which is near to the coast. If the inland mountains where obscured by clouds, then Camarillo most certainly would also have been completely covered in marine layer fog.

He might have been able to punch through to clear air above, but would have been trapped on top with nowhere to go but back to SNA.

38 posted on 02/08/2020 8:43:33 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (For 'tis the sport to have the engineer hoist with his own petard., -- Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 4)
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This is a dumb question based on complete ignorance of helicopter piloting, but even $100 toy quadrocopters these can have an autopilot feature that keeps them hovering/asending/descending in-place.

Why don’t helicopters have such a feature?

I admit it’s a dumb question. I am just curious.


44 posted on 02/08/2020 9:24:22 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.)
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Pilot Error, the end...


47 posted on 02/08/2020 9:27:50 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Kill a Commie for your Mommy.)
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A helicopter isn’t a horse shoe or hand grenade.


48 posted on 02/08/2020 9:39:58 AM PST by bgill
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And you can bet the local news here in LA will cover it every day until then,they don’t cover much news here only fluff and junk and every newscast has a animal story.


49 posted on 02/08/2020 9:49:02 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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