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Pilot In Kobe Bryant Helicopter Crash Wasn’t Allowed To Fly By Instruments
Forbes ^ | 01/29/20 | Jeremy Bogaisky

Posted on 01/30/2020 7:15:21 AM PST by Moonman62

The helicopter that crashed Sunday killing basketball star Kobe Bryant and eight others was owned by a charter company that only operated under visual flight rules, and its pilots were not permitted to fly solely based on their cockpit gauges if they encountered weather that limited visibility, a former pilot for the company told Forbes.

The pilot of the doomed flight, Ara Zobayan, was licensed to fly by cockpit instruments, but he likely had little real-world experience in doing so given the operating limitations of Island Express Helicopters, says Kurt Deetz, a former pilot for the company who flew Bryant for two years.

On a morning when heavy fog and low clouds were reported in parts of the Los Angeles area, and law enforcement agencies and helicopter tour companies weren’t flying their choppers, the last radio communication from Zobayan to air traffic controllers was that he was climbing to try to get above a layer of clouds.

“I don’t think he had any actual [experience] inside the clouds,” says Deetz, who notes that it can be unnerving for pilots limited to operating under visual flight rules, or VFR. “You spend your whole career thinking, ‘I shouldn’t do this.’ ”

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society; Travel; Weather
KEYWORDS: aviation; bryant; crash; kobe; kobebryanthelicopter
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To: thefactor

Island Express Helicopters, a Long Beach-based company that has seven helicopters registered to it and a related holding corporation, is certified under Part 135 of FAA regulations to provide on-demand charter services under VFR conditions only, according to FAA records.


21 posted on 01/30/2020 7:34:31 AM PST by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and evet n the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Moonman62

OK, I’m not familiar with flying helicopters etc but if they saw the fog getting worse and worse, why not just set it down somewhere and call an Uber? Might have been embarrassing and a little pricey for them but a lot safer. Or is that over-simplifying things?


22 posted on 01/30/2020 7:34:32 AM PST by pnz1 (Our indulgence with you ran out a long time ago.)
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To: okkev68

That is not what this means. The pilot was not qualified to fly with instruments. It doesn’t mean that the ground crew removed them from the helicopter or that the pilot didn’t attempt to use them.


23 posted on 01/30/2020 7:35:38 AM PST by GingisK
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To: woodbutcher1963

They had to have some type of liability insurance. Maybe someone here has more knowledge of the type of coverages are required. I curious as to what their “per occurrence” payouts are as flight operations are generally touted to be safer for passengers than automobile accidents on a per trip/mile basis.


24 posted on 01/30/2020 7:36:18 AM PST by shotgun
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To: thefactor

Yes, it does. The pilot had an instrument rating. The company he flew for had a VFR only policy. Pretty simple. Despite that policy, the company probably requires all of its pilots to have the instrument rating for insurance purposes.


25 posted on 01/30/2020 7:37:54 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: Moonman62

Pilot disorientation would explain it. Yet are you really depending on your instruments to use your altimeter to go straight up? Imagine he was climbing on an angle, toward his destination and struck the mountain. Sad. Hopefully pilot trainees and other pilots will learn from this tragedy.


26 posted on 01/30/2020 7:38:08 AM PST by allendale (.)
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To: GingisK

See 25


27 posted on 01/30/2020 7:38:46 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: okkev68

Dumb question not knowing anything about flying helicopters. Why couldn’t he just stop and hover?

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That’s an excellent question, and I think he should have done that under the circumstances and with hindsight.

I don’t have an answer. My guess is he was under time pressure.

I live in an area where people will put your life in danger to save two seconds off their commute.


28 posted on 01/30/2020 7:39:48 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: thefactor

The company rules did not allow IFR..............


29 posted on 01/30/2020 7:39:58 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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To: allendale

Pilot error. Get-there-itis. It happens, and unfortunately, its the cause of many similar aircraft accidents.


30 posted on 01/30/2020 7:40:24 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: okkev68

This clearly explains what happened. The pilot was disoriented, and had no idea if he was going up or down...obviously he was diving, thinking maybe that he was rising.


31 posted on 01/30/2020 7:41:01 AM PST by nikos1121
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To: allendale

I think stopping forward speed and clearing his head would have been beneficial.


32 posted on 01/30/2020 7:41:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: allendale

All those safety rules are written in blood.


33 posted on 01/30/2020 7:41:15 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: Moonman62
Why would anyone trust their lives to flying a chopper in Southern Cal that can only operate in VFR?

IFR needs a ton of practice. I remember working on getting my pilot's license and i was cocky. My instructor had me put the hood on, close my eyes and he asked me to tell him when I thought we were flying level. I did and took the hood off. 30 degree left bank and a slight incline. I got it really quickly.

34 posted on 01/30/2020 7:41:27 AM PST by Solson (Trump 2020!)
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To: Moonman62

Common sense is not necessarily a requirement for the rich and famous.


35 posted on 01/30/2020 7:43:07 AM PST by gathersnomoss (Welcome to North Mexico, Gringo's it...)
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To: Magnum44
"Pretty simple."

Haha. Friend, you're a pilot who has worked in the industry for decades. Of course it's simple for you. But to the uninitiated, we see a headline saying he was not "allowed" and then we read that he was, in fact, "certified" to fly by instruments. It's confusing at best, and inflammatory at worst. Regular people don't know the difference. It's not a big deal, but when a writer confuses the layman instead of explaining something to them, it's a bad look.

36 posted on 01/30/2020 7:44:12 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: shotgun

I understand, but liability coverage is not going to cover the wrongful death of 9 people. The insurance company will cover some up to the maximum of their policy. The helicopter company will be responsible for the rest.
They will probably sue for 20+ million altogether.


37 posted on 01/30/2020 7:44:25 AM PST by woodbutcher1963 (HATE)
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To: Moonman62
Contrary to popular beliefs, helicopters hover near the ground ok, less so as the altitude increases. A helo can hover at, for example 1000 feet, but doing so may be outside the auto-rotate envelope to safely land if you lose an engine. higher still and to maintain control you have to have some forward speed. So its a control and safety issue.

This is on top of any issues about visibility and spatial disorientation.

38 posted on 01/30/2020 7:45:10 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: thefactor

Yes, and I wasnt admonishing you, just explaining it as you are correct that to someone who is not an airman, the article might confuse.


39 posted on 01/30/2020 7:46:52 AM PST by Magnum44 (My comprehensive terrorism plan: Hunt them down and kill them.)
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To: Solson

Why would anyone trust their lives to flying a chopper in Southern Cal that can only operate in VFR?

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It’s not a problem if the chopper actually stays in VFR conditions.

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IFR needs a ton of practice. I remember working on getting my pilot’s license and i was cocky. My instructor had me put the hood on, close my eyes and he asked me to tell him when I thought we were flying level. I did and took the hood off. 30 degree left bank and a slight incline. I got it really quickly.

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I think every student pilot goes through that. It happened to me, too.

That’s also why the graveyard spiral is so dangerous. It feels like straight and level flight.


40 posted on 01/30/2020 7:47:38 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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