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Vanity: My Plan to Fix Healthcare
Me ^ | 10/17/2019 | Me

Posted on 10/17/2019 10:33:07 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue

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To: kaila
People with no insurance would not be able to afford to pay for their time. Nurses and physicians are not going to work for less, it is stressful and backbreaking work.

This reminds me of an astute observation I heard from a management consultant who was explaining why it's so hard for governments to keep highways in good condition:

"It's because people are willing to pay their auto mechanics a lot more than they're willing to pay their highway engineers."

Take your financial figures at face value. Put five doctors and ten nurses in a room for ten hours to do a surgery, and you've got a base salary cost of less than $10,000. Even if you triple that and then add $25,000 in ancillary costs, you're potentially looking at less than $60,000 in actual costs for the procedure.

It's easy to say "people with no insurance would be able to afford to pay for their time," but that's exactly what they're doing anyway. The last monthly premium I was quoted for a personal "silver" level medical plan was about $900 with a $2,500 annual deductible ... which means I'm paying $10,800 in premiums every year and $2,500 in deductibles for a plan that only covers 70% of the medical costs anyway. So it would actually be CHEAPER to pay directly even for many expensive medical procedures on an as-needed basis.

41 posted on 10/17/2019 12:13:51 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave." -- Frederick Douglass)
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To: Magnum44

I thought about that.

But I specifically didn’t include sex bot functionality to make it less controversial.
Besides you don’t want to distract your health bot from it’s duties.

You should be able to pick whether it uses a female or male voice and appearance.

But let’s keep the health bots and sex bots separate for right now.


42 posted on 10/17/2019 12:14:24 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Alberta's Child

I simplified things. That procedure is not just the doctors and nurses time. It is the housecleaner, the sterilization techs, the gowns, the equipment, the meds. No one is looking at administrative costs. When I started nursing in the 1980s, administration was very lean. It now has gotten so large it is suffocating the front line workers. Administrative costs have increased due to the mandates Medicare puts on the system. Even if you have private insurance, and do not have Medicare, their mandates still affect everyone. I never realized the influence Medicare had on my private health insurance until I worked in the administrative end. I am now retired, but my job was not needed in the grand scheme of things, and had around 30 employees. All the while the front line staff was working short. That was just one department. Nothing is going to change until we start getting rid of the huge overhead that admin costs the system.


43 posted on 10/17/2019 12:24:22 PM PDT by kaila
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To: Raycpa

still not addressing the foundational issues that caused (and is still causing) the problems in healthcare. Replacing or adding another set of regulations with another is not the answer.

The problem is socialized medicine model as opposed to a capitalist model. Massive government departments overseeing massive regulations run by economist, accountants, and lawyers FOR EVERYTHING in healthcare is incredibly wasteful and inefficient.

If you really want to ‘fix’ healthcare start over and change the socialist mindset. Capitalism has made this country what it was and should be.

I have a lot more to say on this topic but never enough time or energy. Beating my head against a wall.


44 posted on 10/17/2019 12:32:11 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.(DT4POTUS))
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Simple. Repeal Obamacare and the 1965 health cat (sponsored by Ted Kennedy.) Let the market fix it.


45 posted on 10/17/2019 12:35:48 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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To: setter

I don’t think $4,900 will cut it without reform to health care costs do you?

I pay almost $2,000 a month for two for insurance I have to pay another $7,900 to use. Great isn’t it?

in 2009 I paid $6,000 a year for insurance that was really all we needed but very good and the deductible was not two arms and a leg.

BTW, the proposal for healthcare? Medicare / medicade for all recycled. Why would anyone pay for private medical insurance under the proposal? Pretty lame and shallow thinking.


46 posted on 10/17/2019 1:40:07 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

The cost of healthcare is the issue, not how to pay for it.

Cost could easily be cut drastically - GET DOCTORS OUT OF THE FREAKING DRIVER’S SEAT

Easily 90% of health care services can be performed by Nurse Practitioners or Physician Assistants.

If people want doctors, they can pay what the market will bear.

If they want the Government to pay for it, then create community health clinics with NP’s and PA’s. One remote doctor on call for the small number of cases that warrant it, with IBM’s Watson backstopping the doctor because doctors kill about a quarter million people a year.

Clinics could be set up at Walmart, Walgreen’s, CVS etc. just like they do flu shots now. Retailers would have to compete for the contracts.

If you have no insurance, and you’re not bleeding out, then you GTFO of the ER and go to the clinic.

Piece of cake. This isn’t hard, people. You just have to stop thinking that freaking M.D.’s should be calling the shots.


47 posted on 10/17/2019 1:54:40 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (The fact is, we really don't know anything. It's all guesswork and rationalization.)
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To: setter

This. Saw that with Obama care. Employers cut hours to trim those people who would be covered. Let the people be covered by obamacare. It would take more than a 1% hike in payroll taxes to cover. Then what happens when a democrat gets in office and the employment numbers rise. Less tax being collected. Now more people need to pay their fair share.


48 posted on 10/17/2019 5:56:56 PM PDT by sjm_888
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To: Raycpa

My plan is competition.


49 posted on 10/18/2019 1:25:07 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (homeless guy. He just has more money....)
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