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Who Was Christopher Columbus? ~ Hero or Villain? Criminal or Crusader?
Gloria Romanorum ^ | October 10, 2019 | Florentius

Posted on 10/13/2019 8:00:58 PM PDT by Antoninus

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Long but worth reading. People need to stop buying into the phony Howard Zinn version of history.
1 posted on 10/13/2019 8:00:58 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus

Ping for later. All I know is you will not meet Latinos in Colombia who are thinking of switching their country’s name or giving back the Spanish language to Spain.

You will not meet Peruvians who think we need to return to the days of Incan baby sacrifices. In fact Peru may be the most pro-life country in the world.

This is a USA woke assault on history. (And Christianity!)


2 posted on 10/13/2019 8:05:39 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: Antoninus
" ... Howard-Zinn-style intellectual dishonesty, " I am schocked, schocked I tell you. Who knew?!
3 posted on 10/13/2019 8:08:16 PM PDT by A strike (Import third world become third world)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Yup. Anyone who advocates returning to the constant warfare, torture, human sacrifice, cannibalism and slavery that were aspects of pre-European indigenous life in the Americas is an lunatic, pure and simple.


4 posted on 10/13/2019 8:09:32 PM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: ebb tide; Salvation; Mrs. Don-o

Catholic ping.


5 posted on 10/13/2019 8:10:21 PM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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Columbus deserves his fame. I am Choctaw and don’t begrudge him his one day of recognition.

Oldplayer
(Choctaw)


6 posted on 10/13/2019 8:26:36 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: Antoninus

For later reading.


7 posted on 10/13/2019 8:29:16 PM PDT by overkill_007_2000 (If i'm staring at the ceiling I must be laying on the floor)
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To: oldplayer
Columbus deserves his fame. I am Choctaw and don’t begrudge him his one day of recognition.

And I am Italian and am glad that my people eventually became aware of the Choctaw thanks to Columbus's expeditions.
8 posted on 10/13/2019 8:41:29 PM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Antoninus

Columbus day is worth observing if for no other reason than it marked the first time the entire world was really connected. It’s not a story of conquest, it’s a story of connectivity. Leif Ericsson and other Vikings may have landed in North America and explored it’s coast, but it didn’t trigger anything like the Columbian exchange.

The Columbian exchange changed the world. We know when it happened, we know who did it. Columbus may not have been special in that someone else would have eventually done the same thing, but it was Columbus and he can’t be extricated from the event. Other hinge moments in history don’t have this amount of evidence and clarity.


9 posted on 10/13/2019 8:48:18 PM PDT by jz638
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To: Antoninus

Columbus had his flaws and there were plenty of negatives from European colonization , but there were also and continue to be plenty of positives. The fact is that somebody from Europe was going to discover America eventually, with a lot of the same results, and I’ll bet that person would have been demonized as Columbus has been. It is normal, but a mistake, for us to judge people from 500 years ago by the our standards, and more than a little blind and hypocritical considering the barbarity we have seen unleashed on the world in the last century, including in our present time.

Replacing Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day is an attack on our civilization. It says none of us have a right to be here. Funny, since I’ll bet that most of the Columbus Day foes are proponents of a borderless America.


10 posted on 10/13/2019 8:52:48 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog.)
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I’m not sure we should give Columbus any honors. After all, unlike his critics, he wasn’t prefect.


11 posted on 10/13/2019 8:56:01 PM PDT by Robwin (very)
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To: Antoninus
10 Things People Get Wrong About Columbus

Video at site run time: 9 minutes 23 seconds.

12 posted on 10/13/2019 8:56:04 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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My niece was taught in college that Christopher Columbus was a mass murderer using biological warfare as his weapon. Her professor and many other conveniently ignore the fact Europeans considered plague to be caused by cats.

Not until 1945 was an effective use of bioweapons contemplated. Occupation searchers uncover large stockpiles of viruses, spirochetes, and fungus spores throughout rural Japan. These biological pathogens had already been tested on several hundred thousand people in Chinese villages and on prisoners of war. Civilian militias were to stay behind advancing Americans to infuse pathogens into food and waters sources, to release infected animals and insects into American compounds, and to infect themselves with choleras and plaque germs.

Slavery would have been progressive social reformation to the New World. Tribes like the Aztecs slaughtered thousands in sacrifices to their gods. The Caribs killed and ate members of other tribes but brought the women to their villages. Here they were impregnated, and their babies roasted as a delicacy.

Looks like a great article. I put a copy in my copy of “The Log of Christopher Columbus”.

13 posted on 10/13/2019 9:00:46 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: jz638

Agreed.
We refuse to teach this to our children anymore.
The importance of these events to world history are profound, yet we willfully try to forget they ever happened.


14 posted on 10/13/2019 9:01:58 PM PDT by Adder (Mr. Franklin: We are trying to get the Republic back!)
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To: Antoninus

Nah.
At best it’s semi-worth reading.
He was primarily an explorer and a merchant.


15 posted on 10/13/2019 9:02:27 PM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptors)
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To: Robwin
...unlike his critics, he wasn’t perfect.

Aw snap. I was going to say something about how it is important to study history in context rather than strictly through a modern lens, but I think you nailed it better than I could have.

16 posted on 10/13/2019 9:26:10 PM PDT by jz638
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
Indigenous Peoples Day

If people really understood what life was like in indigenous cultures prior to the arrival of Columbus, no one would want to celebrate it. No one in their right mind wants to go back to living in perpetual fear that your enemies would descend upon you at night, murder your family, take you captive only to torture you slowly and eat you.
17 posted on 10/13/2019 9:42:35 PM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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Not until 1945 was an effective use of bioweapons contemplated.

The old "plague blanket" story has nothing to do with Columbus. It is connected to a British officer named Geoffrey Amherst who suggested giving blankets used by smallpox victims to Indians.

It is a single incident, as far as I know, and not at all connected to Columbus or to Americans.
18 posted on 10/13/2019 9:45:34 PM PDT by Antoninus ("In Washington, swamp drain you.")
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To: Antoninus; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

Columbus Day Ping!


19 posted on 10/13/2019 9:49:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Antoninus

The hate holidays is absurd by both the liberals and faux Christians. Both groups SUCK!!!!!!!


20 posted on 10/13/2019 9:51:05 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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