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Outgrowing Richard Dawkins’ God Delusions
The Stream ^ | October 9, 2019 | Tom Gilson

Posted on 10/09/2019 2:15:19 PM PDT by Heartlander

Outgrowing Richard Dawkins’ God Delusions

Richard Dawkins, one-time leader of the now-fracturing New Atheist movement, has just released another anti-God book, Outgrowing God: A Beginner’s Guide. It’s a sad display of what can happen when an influential scientist thinks the whole intellectual world exists inside his own head. 

It’s not just that I disagree with Dawkins’ conclusions. I certainly do; but there’s another problem he ought to care about himself. He makes faith look ridiculous by misrepresenting it, yet without even seemingly knowing that’s what he’s doing. He’s oblivious. Not a good sign for a man of his influence.

He should  know it. For years now, Christian thinkers have been answering him, correcting him, explaining what it is we really believe. Judging from this book, though, none of that has pierced the shell surrounding his private idea of “religion.” He has sealed himself off from information and arguments.

That’s not just my impression. He approves of fellow atheist P. Z. Myers’ “Courtier’s Reply,” which says you don’t need to understand religions’ nonsense in order to criticize it as nonsense. What he fails to see — because he hasn’t cared to find out — is that he’s not actually critiquing religion, especially not Christianity. The “nonsense” he attacks is his own invention, or the invention of other atheists. He maintains this private fiction by sealing off his brain from data. 

Getting God Wrong

He says, for example (page 7),

The monotheism of modern Christians and Muslims is also rather dubious. For example, they believe in an evil ‘devil’ called Satan (Christianity) or Shaytan (Islam). … They wouldn’t call him a god, but they regard him as having god-like powers.

What does it take say that Satan makes Christians’ belief in one God “dubious”? One thing: one must have absolutely no idea what the word “God” means for Christians. Or for Muslims, by the way.

Dawkins gets it just as wrong a page later. There he says the Christian doctrine of the Trinity “sounds like a formula for squeezing polytheism into monotheism. You could be forgiven for calling it tri-theism.” An intellectually responsible person would make at least passing note of the fact that centuries of Christian thinking, filling libraries of Christian thought, struggled with this paradox. And concluded that there’s no contradiction between Trinitarian theology and monotheism.

But Dawkins doesn’t need to do that. He has his story and he’s sticking to it. Apparently he holds all the authority required to settle the matter. Actual Christian thought on the matter doesn’t seem to exist in his world.

Not Caring That He Gets God Wrong

Later again he further demonstrates he doesn’t know what “God” means, and doesn’t care that it’s been explained to him. He insists on repeating an error that Christian thinkers have answered over and over again since The God Delusion. On page 187 he writes,

Designers need an explanation, just as watches do. … If we think about it more carefully, we can see that God himself is even more improbable than William Paley’s watch. Anything clever enough — complicated enough — to design things has to arrive late in the universe.

This echoes his supposedly greatest God-killing argument in The God Delusion. On page 149 in the 2006 edition of that book, he writes, “A God capable of continuously monitoring and controlling the individual status of every particle in the universe cannot be simple. His existence is going to need a mammoth explanation in its own right.”

Or earlier, on page 114: “God tries to have his free lunch and be it too. However statistically improbable the entity you seek to explain by invoking a designer, the designer himself has got to be at least as improbable. God is the Ultimate Boeing 747.”

Ignoring Informed Answers

Dawkin repeats the same basic argument in Outgrowing God, even though it has been answered. Conclusively. Alvin Plantinga’s reputation as a world-renowned philosopher should have caught Plantinga’s attention. He dismantled Dawkins’ claim in a 2007 review of The God Delusion:

What can be said for this argument? Not much. First, is God complex? According to much classical theology … God is simple, and simple in a very strong sense, so that in him there is no distinction of thing and property, actuality and potentiality, essence and existence, and the like. Some of the discussions of divine simplicity get pretty complicated, not to say arcane. (It isn’t only Catholic theology that declares God simple; according to the Belgic Confession, a splendid expression of Reformed Christianity, God is “a single and simple spiritual being.”) So first, according to classical theology, God is simple, not complex.

More remarkable, perhaps, is that according to Dawkins’ own definition of complexity, God is not complex. According to his definition (set out in The Blind Watchmaker), something is complex if it has parts that are “arranged in a way that is unlikely to have arisen by chance alone.” But of course God is a spirit, not a material object at all, and hence has no parts.

Plantinga continues in that vein. Oxford mathematician John Lennox offered a related answer in debate with Dawkins, so we know Dawkins has heard it. He’s impermeable to all that, though. Just like a … cult member.

Again in this new book, he repeats the same distorted version of “God,” never acknowledging the possibility of another answer. It’s as if there were no intellectual world outside his own head; as if intellectual integrity never called for a thinker to respond to other thinkers. As if he were L. Ron Hubbard, concocting Scientology in the privacy of his study. 

Getting Jesus Wrong

He (Dawkins, not Hubbard) gets Jesus badly wrong, too. On page 121 in Outgrowing God, Dawkins writes:

Imagine how impressed we’d be if Jesus had told his disciples that the Earth orbits the sun, that all living creatures are cousins, that the Earth is billions of years old, that the map of the world changes over millions of years… . But no, his wisdom, impressive though it was in many ways, was the wisdom of a good man of his time, not a god. Just a man, though a good one.

This paragraph is a marvel of compacted error. First, it’s chronologically naive. He suggests Jesus should have explained 21st century science to people of the first century. How impressed would they have been if he’d told them the Earth orbits the sun? In the first place they would have strong empirical evidence to conclude he was wrong. The sun-centered solar system required telescopes to show it was right. And it needed Kepler’s math and Newton’s theory of gravitation to explain why it made logical sense. (Copernicus didn’t make it quite that far with his version of the theory.)

And does Dawkins really think Jesus would have impressed anyone in the first 15 or so centuries after his time on earth, by explaining that the Americas are slowly receding from Europe and Africa? (From context, that’s what he was referring to when he said “the map of the world changes.”) Isn’t there just a tad bit of knowledge they were not quite ready to absorb there?

Missing the Reality of Jesus

Meanwhile Jesus’ wisdom far exceeded that of “a good man.” But I’ll have to wait until my next book is published to pursue that argument where I’d like to take it.

But how has Dawkins missed the fact that Jesus actually accomplished what he set out to do on Earth? He launched a global movement that would honor the truth of God in three Persons? (And give his followers new life, though I’m sure Dawkins would never see that.) It’s as if he thought Jesus was some kind of failure!

Content With Having Influence, Not Truth

But my question there is easily answered. Dawkins has it all figured out in his head. And he’s not willing to change his mind or open it.

It’s ironic, for this former Oxford “Professor for the Public Understanding of Science.” It is of the essence of science to put ideas to the test: to let them be challenged, both by other knowledgeable people and by reality itself. He won’t do that with his ideas on religion.

There’s much more I could say, for these are only a few selected examples. Since The God Delusion and even earlier, Dawkins has insulated himself from the reality of Jesus, and from other thinkers’ well-informed opinions on Christianity. Dawkins’ thinking passes the trivial test of his own thinking. The strange thing is, apparently he’s content with that.

Oh, and by the way, he sells boatloads of books to people who don’t know enough to realize how distorted that thinking is. He’s influencing millions to crawl into the limited and unreal space of his own head with him. If influence is what he wants, I guess that’s good enough for him. I’d rather he’d outgrew that and learn to think along with the rest of the world.


Tom Gilson (@TomGilsonAuthor) is a senior editor with The Stream, and the author of A Christian Mind: Thoughts on Life and Truth in Jesus Christ and Critical Conversations: A Christian Parent’s Guide to Discussing Homosexuality with Teens, and the lead editor of True Reason: Confronting the Irrationality of the New Atheism.

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In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference.
– Richard Dawkins River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life


“Since we are creatures of natural selection, we cannot totally trust our senses. Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not concerned with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”
- Richard Dawkins

Note the excerpt from the following interview from October 2006:

Dawkins:….What I do know is that what it feels like to me, and I think to all of us, we don’t feel determined. We feel like blaming people for what they do or giving people the credit for what they do. We feel like admiring people for what they do. None of us ever actually as a matter of fact says, “Oh well he couldn’t help doing it, he was determined by his molecules.” Maybe we should… I sometimes… Um… You probably remember many of you would have seen Fawlty Towers. The episode where Basil where his car won’t start and he gives it fair warning, counts up to three, and then gets out of the car and picks up a tree branch and thrashes it within an edge of his life. Maybe that’s what we all ought to… Maybe the way we laugh at Basil Fawlty, we ought to laugh in the same way at people who blame humans. I mean when we punish people for doing the most horrible murders, maybe the attitude we should take is “Oh they were just determined by their molecules.” It’s stupid to punish them. What we should do is say “This unit has a faulty motherboard which needs to be replaced.” I can’t bring myself to do that. I actually do respond in an emotional way and I blame people, I give people credit, or I might be more charitable and say this individual who has committed murders or child abuse of whatever it is was really abused in his own childhood. ….

Manzari: But do you personally see that as an inconsistency in your views?

Dawkins: I sort of do. Yes. But it is an inconsistency that we sort of have to live with otherwise life would be intolerable. But it has nothing to do with my views on religion it is an entirely separate issue.

1 posted on 10/09/2019 2:15:19 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

I generally don’t have a problem with atheists who look for natural explanations to the mechanics of the universe.

But Dawkins is an rather mean a-hole who goes from “everything can be explained” to “there is no God” with pretty much nothing between. Read “Mere Christianity” for a clear and logical explanation of how we go from a natural world to the existence of God.

Bottom line: Dawkins and his followers are dicks.

2 posted on 10/09/2019 2:19:50 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (As always IMHO)
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To: Heartlander

Atheism never fails to bring apparently smart people to a point where they repeatedly express short-sighted, incoherent or self-contradictory ideas.

3 posted on 10/09/2019 2:22:44 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: Heartlander
[The “nonsense” he attacks is his own invention, or the invention of other atheists.]

A typical tactic of the Left. In order to demonize something, you must mischaracterize it. Then it's not attacking the thing itself, but the popularized idea of it in order to generate fear and contempt.
4 posted on 10/09/2019 2:31:57 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Heartlander

These folks belong to the “Flat Consciousness Society”

5 posted on 10/09/2019 2:47:17 PM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: reasonisfaith

” Dawkins’ thinking passes the trivial test of his own thinking. “

DUDE, killed it !!

6 posted on 10/09/2019 2:52:52 PM PDT by A strike (Import third world become third world)
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To: Heartlander

“Evolution only passes on traits that help a species survive, and not concerned with preserving traits that tell a species what is actually true about life.”

Dawkins doesn’t understand the words survival or true.

7 posted on 10/09/2019 2:54:58 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Heartlander

8 posted on 10/09/2019 3:03:11 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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To: reasonisfaith

Is it not interesting that he says there is no basis for morality because there is no Source of morality yet at the same time he states that without morality life would be intolerable?

9 posted on 10/09/2019 3:16:39 PM PDT by Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi ( Gen. 12:3: a warning to all anti-semites.)
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To: Heartlander

“Atheists don’t believe in God. But the Devil does’’. Bishop Fulton J. Sheen.

10 posted on 10/09/2019 3:36:25 PM PDT by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?)
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To: Heartlander

Dawkins stopped learning and switched to self worship.

11 posted on 10/09/2019 4:11:13 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Someone is deluded about God. His title is aimed at believers of God but psychological projection would have it pointing straight back at himself.

12 posted on 10/09/2019 5:00:46 PM PDT by xp38
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To: xp38

I’ve actually heard atheists making fun of religious people for believing in some “old guy sitting on a cloud”. That’s not what we believe in, but it doesn’t matter to them. They’re happy with their mischaracterization.

13 posted on 10/09/2019 10:13:42 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi


14 posted on 10/10/2019 6:15:21 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (What are the implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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