Posted on 09/22/2019 4:04:02 PM PDT by robowombat
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Mormons killed some members of the Church of Christ in that massacre and they are not demanding revenge. Forgiveness is what Jesus taught.
I just finished rereading Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s, “A Study In Scarlet”. It was forty years since I first read Sherlock Holmes. It mentions the Mormon Avenging Angels. Conan Doyle clearly didn’t like them.
On the other hand Conan Doyle tho a great writer would sometimes make up stuff.
The Mormon’s flight to the Salt Lake valley resulted in the formation of the Mormon Battalion and an isolationist bunker mentality. That’s part of the reason but not justification for Mountain Meadows. Like the native Americans, the Mormons didn’t foresee the massive migration and colonization of the west and thought the geographic isolation was a permanent condition.
Some people did something.
Every time a memorial cross is erected at the massacre site, it gets torn down.
We know what Mormons think of the Cross.
I blame everything on the people who did it.
Amen.
I’ve met quite a few nice Mormons and had one I was friends with in central Alberta, but he knew where I stood on it. The way I see it, you’re either for God or against, it doesn’t matter how nice one is.
You wonder why they don’t wear little Golden Plates on a necklace.
Nothing justifies the murder that occurred by morons.
Here is historical description of what occurred when mormons massacred men, women and children emigrants, merely traveling to California, then stripped and looted them...
"The plan was devious, but effective. Major John Higbee, in command of the forces at Mountain Meadows, persuaded John Lee and William Bateman to act as decoys to draw the emigrants out from the protection of their wagons. Lee and Bateman, carrying a white flag, marched across the field to the emigrants' camp. The desperate emigrants agreed to the terms promised by Lee: They would give up their arms, wagons, and cattle, in return for promise that they would not be harmed as they embarked on a 35-mile hike back to Cedar City. Samuel McMurdy, a member of the Nauvoo Legion, took the reigns of one of the wagons into which were loaded some of the youngest children. A woman and a few seriously injured emigrant men were loaded into a second wagon. John Lee positioned himself between the two wagons as they pulled out. Following the two wagons, the women and the older children of the Fancher party walked behind. After the wagons had moved on, Higbee ordered the emigrant men to begin walking in single file. An armed Mormon "guard" escorted each emigrant man."When the escorted men had fallen a quarter mile or so behind the women and children, who had just crested a small hill, Higbee yelled, "Halt! Do your duty!" Each of the Mormon men shot and killed the emigrant at his side. Meanwhile, on the other side of the hill, Nelphi Johnson shouted the order to begin the slaughter of the women and older children. Men rushed at the defenseless emigrants from both sides, and the killing went on amidst "hideous, demon-like yells."
Nancy Huff, four years old at the time of the massacre, later remembered the horror: "I saw my mother shot in the forehead and fall dead. The women and children screamed and clung together. Some of the young women begged the assassins after they run out on us not to kill them, but they had no mercy on them, clubbing their guns and beating out their brains." It was over in just a few minutes. 120 members of the Fancher party were dead. The youngest children, seventeen or eighteen in all, were gathered up, to later be placed in Mormon homes. None of the survivors were over seven years old.
The next day, Colonel Dame and Lt. Colonel Haight visited the site of the massacre with John Lee and Philip Klingensmith . Lee, in his confession, described the field on that day: "The bodies of men, women and children had been stripped entirely naked, making the scene one of the most loathsome and ghastly that can be imagined." Dame appeared shocked by what he found. "I did not think there were so many of them [women and children], or I would not have had anything to do with, Dame reportedly said. Haight, angered by Dame's remark, expressed concern that Dame might try to blame him for an action that Dame had ordered. The men agreed on one thing, however: Mormon participation in the massacre had to be kept secret. Within twenty-fours hours, Haight had another reason for concern. Brigham Young's reply to his inquiry arrived in Cedar City. "Too late, too late," Haight said as he read Young's letter and began to cry.
https://www.famous-trials.com/mountainmeadows/936-home
Disgusting.
Isn't that exactly the excuse that Muslim extremists use for their latest atrocity? Someone else made them do it. The travelers from Arkansas and the Mormons involved were both victims the false gospel of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. The travelers suffering physical death and the Mormons spiritual death.
My wife’s step dad’s family, the Dunlaps, were involved in the massacre. His granddad and his great uncle were brothers who came west with their families with one going north and the other going south. If memory serves me a couple of girls were spared
He later changed his mind and actually once spoke in the mormon tabernacle in Salt Lake City. Not taking sides here; just pointing this out.
The mormons were also the villains in Zane Grey's Riders of the Purple Sage, I believe.
Thanks
Mormons had been rebelling against the Territorial Governor and federal authority over the Utah Territory.
Eventually President Buchanan sent the Army to restore federal authority. The army arrived, there was no fighting, there was a sort of military occupation, it all gets overshadowed by the Civil War and forgotten. The only casualties were the non-Mormon civilians massacred at Mountain Meadows.
The ‘Mormon War’ presaged what was coming in the secession crisis and the Civil War, except that it dealt with a Territory and not States. Buchanan had to deal with both, since some States seceded while he was still President.
And while he was willing to send the Army to enforce Federal authority over the Utah Territory, he wouldn’t do so against the seceding States. In his opinion the federal government didn’t have the right to use force against States even though in his opinion secession wasn’t legal.
we need to stop defending this.....it happened..it was real, and as nice and good as present day Mormons are, the foundation of Mormonism is on very very shaky grounds.
For the same reason that polygamy is officially denounced (yet still continues) amongst mormons. It’s called POLITICS.
The similarities between Mormonism and mohamedanism are striking including September 11th attacks on innocents. Both ‘religions’ are false religions created by false prophets.
Not even. He says in the piece that the killers were Mormons
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