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How our children surprised Americans
(in Russian) ^ | 09/05/2019

Posted on 09/06/2019 10:09:38 AM PDT by Freelance Warrior

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To: Chickensoup

I’m sorry that happened in your family-it is far too common...

I walked out on my cub’s biological father as soon as I knew I was pregnant-moved back to the ranch and my family-it was obvious that I’d been naive-he was a spoiled., well off college student who wanted nothing to do with having a child and couldn’t quite grasp why I was totally against abortion.

Getting the monthly child support from him was no longer an issue after I married my 1st hubby-he adopted the cub as his own, and he was a wonderful dad. We had fertility issues and were not able to have other children, so she was very precious to us...

I believed it was still proper for her to spend time with the man responsible for her conception after she was about 10-11 years old-but the few times in my daughter’s life that she spent time with her father, he spent the time telling her how mean her daddy and I were to make her do chores, follow rules, etc.

There is still a small rift and resentment on her part there between she and I that comes from those visits, even though she is has long been an adult-in retrospect, I should have been a bitch and forbade the contact altogether instead of doing what I believed was the Christian thing...


41 posted on 09/06/2019 1:08:54 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys-you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Freelance Warrior

As I see it, Russians since 1991 are trying to undo the ravages of seventy years of communism. They have re-embraced Christianity and churches appear across the countryside like mushrooms after a rain. The great cathedrals destroyed by the Bolsheviks and the non-Russian Stalin have all been rebuilt. Church weddings and baptisms are the norm (I have not been to Russia; closest I got was Central Asia where they still spoke Russian).

And there is still that anomie, a sense of not being connected to a greater purpose; alcoholism & abortions still afflict millions with shorter life spans.

The large military parades in Red Square seem to be back; did I see both Russian and Soviet flags in the ranks? It gives people something to identify with and the Lenin mausoleum is till occupied.

I wish Russians well and I wish America and Russia could be friends but the drive for spheres of influence are still there.


42 posted on 09/06/2019 1:12:31 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Freelance Warrior

I live in a subdivision that is home to many first and second generation emigre’ s from Belarus. My anecdotal observation is that they are fully committed to family and acquiring wealth. They live the American economic dream but will not allow natives to invade their space. They all speak impeccable english but do so only for business transactions. As to their children, which are many, they homeschool and are rarely seen in the neighborhood, but I suspect their behavior is exemplary.


43 posted on 09/06/2019 1:23:10 PM PDT by buckalfa (Post No Bills)
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To: skinndogNN

Kids don’t need to be wearing nice clothes to play-you are right-that is what old cutoffs and T-shirts are for-but outside is the place for kids to run around and shriek-not indoors around the adults-if it was raining, we had a patio and a barn-granted not everyone lives in the country, but there are outdoor playgrounds everywhere...


44 posted on 09/06/2019 1:27:27 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys-you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Mears

To be fair, if you’re from Massachusetts, they have a lot of like minded people all around them now......

Apologies for the joke.

These people weren’t like that at all.


45 posted on 09/06/2019 1:28:51 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Trump. He stands for the great issues of the day. Stay the course!)
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To: Texan5

In every life a little jerk must fall.

I once thought it was good for children to have adult connections outside of the family, but after my daughter’s friend’s mother, I no long think that. People have their own agendas, and adults want to meet their emotional needs as well as family needs on your kids.

So much for “mentors” in this day and age.


46 posted on 09/06/2019 1:49:36 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Voter ID for 2020!! Leftists totalitarian fascists appear to be planning to eradicate conservatives)
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To: Chickensoup

Can’t be avoided, I guess-my mom apologized to me 20 years ago for encouaging me to “do the right thing” and let the cub spend time with her father-even though she agreed with me that he was pretty much just her sperm donor, and doing the right thing is not exactly the 1st inclination of Latina women when it comes to a man who a jerk-but no good deed goes unpunished-I stick to venganza instead now...


47 posted on 09/06/2019 3:04:47 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys-you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: elcid1970

“” “” I wish Russians well and I wish America and Russia could be friends but the drive for spheres of influence are still there.”” “”

Quite interestingly US and Russia theoretically might be the World’s dominant powers independently or at least feel so about themselves based of two independent theories.

First by Alfred Mahan stating that the World belongs to the power which controls the Oceans and sea lanes. I know that the theory was studied and taken seriously by both British and then was critical in US decision to have a serious blue water Navy at the time.

Another theory is by Halford Macinder stating that there is a main ‘global island’ or ‘heartland’ meaning Eurasia minus southern edges and that control of it comes from the East Europe and means global domination. Ironically, Macinder theory didn’t seem to make much sense at the time it was first formulated but things changed with the Cold War. Macinder died in 1947.

Both theories does not necessarily mean the conflict between such powers. They just set independent conditions for the power to be dominant on its own different terms.

There is a third theory by I don’t remember who and the guy introduces the definition of ‘rimland’ or the Western, Southern and Eastern coasts of Eurasia as vital to global domination meaning probably the idea of containment of ‘heartland’ power by the sea power.

All of the above makes sense if you analize US Cold War policies. It also shows that the Cold War was more like the sort of offensive by the sea power against the ‘heartland’ power and the latter was on defence and not the opposite.


48 posted on 09/06/2019 7:41:40 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: fuzzylogic
...along with a complete lack of knowing about anything outside of the USA.

I am likewise struck at the childlike understanding that English/Euro types have of the USA. They think they know us because they've watched our media. In reality their ignorance is profound. But unlike us, they claim knowledge that they don't have.

49 posted on 09/06/2019 7:58:10 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: NorseViking
Quite interestingly US and Russia theoretically might be the World’s dominant powers...

I would add "and amusingly" in the case of Russia.

50 posted on 09/06/2019 8:01:29 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: NorseViking

Halford Mackinder and Alfred Thayer Mahan... I figured I was the only one who read that kind of stuff.

Imperial Japan of course took Mahan seriously.

Mahan believed that dominance of the seas would be determined in decisive slugging matches between battleship fleets like Tsushima and Jutland.

Aircraft carriers changed all that. Marc Mitscher’s innovative Fast Carrier Task Force became the main strike arm of the Navy.

Part of Mackinder’s theory includes the concept of the Rimland and the Heartland so that may actually be the “third theory” that you are thinking of.


51 posted on 09/06/2019 8:01:52 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Pelham

Thanks for correction, it is not eastly to keep everything in mind. But Nick Spykman is actually a third guy with rimlands. I don’t think that aircraft carriers changed any of the above theories in principle but more like improved the tooling of the sea powers.
Although the theories of course somehow dated in terms of taking into account modern technology. That’s nuclear weapons and delivery systems in the first place.


52 posted on 09/06/2019 8:10:46 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Yardstick; Pelham

“” “” I would add “and amusingly” in the case of Russia.”” “”

Why not? It partly explains Nixon’s policy towards China and Carter’s policy in Middle East and East Europe.

Both policies produced other challenges though.

Russia has its peculiarities but not awfully culturally different comparing to Europe and US. You can’t say the same about China and Middle East.

“” “” Imperial Japan of course took Mahan seriously.”” “”

True, but for the manpower and resources of Japan it was obvious it couldn’t control the World Oceans.

One might think Hitler was reading Mackinder and failed at it for the very same reason Japan failed in Mahanism.


53 posted on 09/06/2019 8:42:52 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

The Heartland Power did and still controls eleven time zones of land mass and under Soviet rule aggressively made war against the rest of the noncommunist world.

Defensive war planning against the Russian heartland land power carries no moral burden.

If Putin wants war, he’ll get war. Just because I like Stravinsky, pirogies, Pushkin, and vodka doesn’t mean I don’t regard Russia as an existential threat.


54 posted on 09/06/2019 9:02:01 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: elcid1970

That is one take on it but it is not objective and a natural result of your belonging to an opposing group.

Once again US is capable to peacefully coexist with the Western Europe which was once a den of ‘Hostile powers’.

Western Europe is indeed culturally different from US but close enough. I have no idea why the same principle might not be applied to post-Soviet Russia which is pretty close to US and Europe, more so than Middle East of East Asia.

And to be honest Europe and Russia recognize it and do trade, not war.


55 posted on 09/06/2019 9:14:05 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: NorseViking

“That’s nuclear weapons and delivery systems in the first place.”

Yep. ICBMs and space weapons have changed the game.


56 posted on 09/06/2019 9:28:11 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Pelham

But again not dramatically. Just like the air power these are tools to change the situation on the ground. It doesn’t automatically provides control of the land but makes it easier.


57 posted on 09/06/2019 9:33:23 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Yardstick

This is true - they’ve “watched our movies”...I’ve actually heard that as a reason why “everyone knows the USA”. Smug Canadian’s annoy me the most.

That said, it also annoys me when American’s say to the British, “you owe us, we walked in and won your war for you” (WWII). That’s just as ignorant. Britain was fighting alone for years and far more Brits were killed, if they’d lost the Battle of Britain then the outcome of the war might look very different. We fought that war “hand in hand”.

America is a big place, lots going on...it doesn’t surprise me that many don’t know about much outside of it. That said, those that either go to Europe and fall in love with its architecture and history, along with its liberalism (after a week of vacation), or those that never go there at all and have no knowledge of anywhere...can be equally annoying.

I’ve also met young European’s that have quoted me George Washington (I just about fell over) - so there’s hope yet.


58 posted on 09/07/2019 7:31:10 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: fuzzylogic

My guess is you’d be lucky to find one in ten Americans who have an opinion about the battle of Britain but 90% of Europeans will have an annoying attitude about America.


59 posted on 09/07/2019 6:37:40 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: ClearCase_guy; bagman; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Gamecock; HarleyD; Luircin; imardmd1; ...
I’m not old enough to really know, but I suspect most Americans used to raise their children pretty well. But then Dr Spock came along with a lot of “helpful advice” which started us down a bad path. Today we’ve gone far beyond Dr Spock and we live in an era where childrearing often means “anything goes”.

You may be surprised how many who called themselves "Christian," and even many conservatives on this site (just a few of which I have contended with), who oppose any corporeal punishment of children - despite it, as wisely judiciously applied, and as based upon principal, not peevish passion, is clearly Scriptural, though more necessary for some (if all all) than others.

And indeed, in the natural world, it is the reality of physical force that is ultimately behind even the demand "go to your room." For what if the child refuses to mind, and parents never use physical force? If one will not be correctly controlled from within, then they must be controlled from without. Resulting in the state getting involved. And whose power to coerce obedience ultimately rests upon the use of the sword of men, with the just use of it being sanctioned by the word of God. (Rm. 13:1-7)

60 posted on 09/08/2019 4:44:31 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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