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To: saleman; Pelham; StoneWall Brigade; Ohioan

Even though my father and grandfather had been Eisenhower and Nixon60 and Goldwater people myself and most of my extended family lived this exodus of former Dixiecrats or social conservatives to the GOP starting with Goldwater in 1964 when he carried the Cotton states and Arizona only

By the end of Carter in 1980 it was mostly a fait accompli

Even though some southern support for a Democrat surfaced in 1992 for Slick

It took longer for the statehouses to go GOPe but I’m pretty sure all had by the end of Obama second term

Whites in the south are more social conservative about everything and especially race because of the large numbers of blacks they have always had to contend with which is something lecturing Yankees never had to much and when they did I can’t say impressed with how it turned out

Go up north even to small cities and it’s even more segregated than here...I’m thinking Grand Rapids a city I know pretty well as just one examples

The Dixiecrats died off and the Dems went left and now far left left and so southern whites migrated to the GOPe moving it further right than the Nixon Rockefeller GOPe had been

Without the South there would have been no Magnus possible because the northern GOPe would have still had the power

I have seen nutz here claim the south went GOPe because Yankees moved south. And conservatized Dixie.

Hilarious...anyone who lives here knows when Yankees move south it gets more liberal and purple as they say

Even where I live surrounded by mostly decent Michiganders in middle Tennessee.....they are still more liberal than native southerners are...not like Massachusetts thankfully

This notion Democrats 1860 and Democrats 2019 are interchangeable is just stupid posturing

Way different issues and goals for each and political pressures etc

It’s just silly no matter how much NRO sound and fury

Mississippi and Alabama in national elections ...whites vote 88-92% GOPe

Nobody else comes close not even vaunted Oklahoma

Another at least 75% southern state btw

Berate slavery all you must if it makes you feel good but that’s where it should stop

I would caution Freepers over GOP worship

We are being saved as we speak by one man....not a party

I have never been impressed with the Republicans much

Often they contrast favorably to democrats especially since FDR on but they are not our true friends

Today’s GOPe is indistinguishable from a mid 70s moderate midwestern Democrat


16 posted on 07/29/2019 9:46:21 AM PDT by wardaddy (I applaud Jim Robinson for his comments on the Southern Monuments decision ...thank you)
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To: wardaddy
This notion Democrats 1860 and Democrats 2019 are interchangeable is just stupid posturing

It is far worse that that. It is like spitting on Thomas Jefferson; misrepresenting the libertarian views of Calhoun; completely ignoring who were the strict constructionists and who the advocates of an increased role for bureaucracy in America.

In short, a shameless deception that will not stand critical examination. If anyone doubts how this foolishness will be used in academia, to undermine family teachings, let this Oberlin graduate, who fought the big government toadies in the intellectual trenches, before he was old enough to vote, assure one and all. Faculty Leftists have always sought out ideological inconsistencies to separate college students from their family values.

19 posted on 07/29/2019 10:10:01 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: wardaddy
No, it shouldn't end at slavery. Not when people like Al Gore's father filibustered for 16 straight hours against passage of the civil rights act and today every major city run the Democrat machine is a poverty and crime infested sh!thole that is the modern day equivalent of a slave plantation. I used to be a liberal Democrat. I know how they think and how the act.
25 posted on 07/29/2019 10:32:23 AM PDT by jmacusa ("If wisdom is not the Lord, what is wisdom?''.)
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To: wardaddy

Very astute points you make...especially the fallacy of comparing democrats then and now.


30 posted on 07/29/2019 10:56:20 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: wardaddy

I agree totally. Comparing Democrats of 1860 to Democrats of today is ludicrous. In addition let’s say you could. So what? Do you think that most blacks will embrace whites and the GOP?


31 posted on 07/29/2019 11:01:21 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: wardaddy

Bravo! “moderate, midwestern, Democrats”... the GOPe described rather well.

Think of them like insurance agents from Kansas— only want subscribers and rate payers... just like dems want other “subscribed” extra sources of “revenue” for “investment” (words bill c. used to describe massive tax increases for “govt.” investment.)

Govt. doesn’t invest, if it did, what would be its expected capital “gain”— So investment means “throw money at it”- the payola... patronage, and both “parties” participate.


65 posted on 07/30/2019 10:46:05 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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