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1 posted on 06/20/2019 4:36:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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Batteries pack a lot of energy into a small volume. And, we are continually trying to increase how much energy we can store per unit volume.

Poor kid... not a case of “mother knew best.” Glad he’s OK.

Just a tiny battery, too. THink of how much more energy is in automotive EV battery, comparable to a tank of gasoline.


3 posted on 06/20/2019 4:42:23 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: BenLurkin

Regulated mods are the way to go. Mechanical mods have no safeties. People should know the difference.


4 posted on 06/20/2019 4:45:06 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Fact: Gun control laws kill innocents.)
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To: BenLurkin

Well damn, just damn.

I do feel sorry for the kid.

I don’t think many of us really give any thought to the potential risks of batteries.


5 posted on 06/20/2019 4:45:45 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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The e-cigarette industry. I may have to get a piece of them.


7 posted on 06/20/2019 4:49:02 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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This guy does awesome and hilarious e-cig reviews:
https://www.youtube.com/user/vapel1fe


9 posted on 06/20/2019 4:50:17 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Fact: Gun control laws kill innocents.)
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To: BenLurkin

He may end up the lucky one as he probably will now, probably not try these dangerous and potentially addicting devices again.


10 posted on 06/20/2019 4:51:27 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (KAG! Keep America Great! Vote for President Trump in 2020! KAG! Keep America Great!)
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“He had a very swollen lower jaw and lip, a small burn on his lip and a huge cut in his mouth,” says Russell. “A 2-centimeter [¾-inch] piece of his jaw was just blown to pieces.”

Something is very wrong here. The description of the wound here does not comport with what I am seeing in the 3D-tomography of the jaw wound and what I know of the way e-cigarettes are constructed.

The e-cigarettes have a mouthpieces connected to a tank like container with the juice, either a nicotine containing flavored, or non-nicotine flavored, vegetable glycerin or propolyn glycol. The battery is NOT close to the face.

Here is a typical commercial e-cigarette design:


As you can see the Lithium Ion battery is actually several inches from the lips and jaw. . . and nothing explosive should be anywhere close to the face.

The damage shown, and the wounds described, indicate to me that the teenage had something else in his mouth, perhaps the battery itself, not the mouthpiece. The jaw damage just is NOT accountable to a Lithium Ion batter explosion (they really do not explode, they burst into flame). The force required to break a jaw, one of the strongest bones in the human body, is much more than can be accounted for by the story told here!

He is MUCH more likely to have damage to his hand if the battery exploded than to his jaw, inside his lips.

Many of these e-cigarettes are user re-loadable. Is it possible this teenager tried to load this e-cigarette with something NOT suitable for vaping, that might itself be explosive? I think that is a distinct possibility.

My BS-o-meter is pegged and bent around the stop!

12 posted on 06/20/2019 5:10:54 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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see, illegal for teenagers to buy cigarettes but not prohibited to smoke them.


13 posted on 06/20/2019 5:16:51 PM PDT by SMGFan ("God love ya! What am I talking about")
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see, illegal for teenagers to buy cigarettes but not prohibited to smoke them.


14 posted on 06/20/2019 5:16:51 PM PDT by SMGFan ("God love ya! What am I talking about")
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I’ve been looking for a design that could put anything explosive in the mouth to duplicate the damage and cannot find anything. Here’s another example of an e-cig design:


Again, the battery is inches away from the lips and jaw. Something else happened than what was described as the initiating event. Glycol and Glycerin are not explosive and are normally used as food additives.

I am wondering if he wasn’t trying to vape alcohol, but even that should not have split his jaw and shattered his teeth. Burned his lips and mouth, yeah, that I can see, but splitting the jaw? What could do that? One thing might be holding a high powered gun too close and getting hit by the recoil when he fired it.

Why were the upper incisors broken? They are certainly weaker teeth than the jaw below? If he were gripping the mouthpiece of the e-cigarette with both upper and lower teeth, then certainly both should have been broken. Why was the force transmitted only downward? Strange.

16 posted on 06/20/2019 5:24:43 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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To: BenLurkin

Ouch!


19 posted on 06/20/2019 5:29:05 PM PDT by EdnaMode
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I can’t believe he wasn’t air lifted with that serious an injury. Horrific.


20 posted on 06/20/2019 5:29:35 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: BenLurkin

Without reading the whole article (like a true Freeper) any mention that it is illegal to vape at 17?


23 posted on 06/20/2019 5:40:44 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the 0zarks)
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To: BenLurkin

This has happened a lot of times so far. How about they use a regular Ni-cad. So what if they have to be charged more. The trade is worth it.


24 posted on 06/20/2019 5:41:19 PM PDT by Revel
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To: BenLurkin

Outlaw assault batteries...


38 posted on 06/20/2019 6:20:21 PM PDT by Does so (A mysterious nuclear explosion would have the fingerprints of Uranium One!)
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To: BenLurkin

Cue the 007 skunk works, exploding battery cigarettes from Gold Finger!


50 posted on 06/20/2019 6:50:03 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: BenLurkin

Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
For the love of all that is decent - we have all these TV commercials about people who are horribly sick and dying from cancer presumably caused by cigarettes. But people still “light up”
I wonder how many times this 17 year old has used these things to have one blow-up in his face.
Darwin Award material. (and I know that I sound mean and soulless, but some days I can’t keep it all in)


74 posted on 06/20/2019 9:30:26 PM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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I showed this article to all three doctors in my office. All three independently looked at the 3D tomograph image and read the comments of the attending physicians, and all three immediately stated the damage was NOT consistent with damage from an explosion, but rather was consistent from blunt force damage delivered directly to the mandible.

All three pointed to the same point of impact exactly where I said it had hit, below the gum line directly on the mandible. Our top doc, who is forensically trained and has testified in many court cases (although he’d spend a lot more time studying a case for such testimony), even pointed out that he saw the pattern of a rectangular object, similar and consistent to an e-cigarette, or pipe stem, mouthpiece, horizontally imprinted in the bone in the impact zone.

All three said they had seen damage similar to that from FALLS where something in the mouth had struck the ground or something on the ground had impacted the face. No burns of any consequence meant the e-cigarette had not caused the damage. One doctor had experience with patients who had had e-cigarettes that burst into flames. These patients all had burns on hands and on their faces, but, he said, they had no internal oral damage.

Not a single one of the three doctors could see any way a Lithium Ion battery could “explode” with enough force to break a mandible. Our senior doctor had been an engineer before becoming a doctor. He said the amount of force is only consistent with a fall or being struck by some massive force. He suggested a bicycle accident with the e-cigarette in the kids mouth, which would account for it moving down below the lip line.

76 posted on 06/21/2019 7:12:38 PM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplaphobe bigot!)
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