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1 posted on 05/14/2019 1:03:51 PM PDT by SleeperCatcher
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Isn’t this how World War II in the Pacific started?


2 posted on 05/14/2019 1:09:55 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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China was like a Trojan Horse....

At long last, President Trump checked it out and is whittling away at its legs.

Either they deal....or fall.

3 posted on 05/14/2019 1:10:07 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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The notion that we are out to “batter” China is a false, and dangerous one. The idea that Trump, Fed.gov, or anyone can change China is a fantasy. Same as the ridiculous idea we are somehow going to “democratize” Islamic countries like Iraq or Afghanistan.

Rather, the USA has finally woken up the fact that China is a state-controlled and planned economy that will not open up any further - this is the important thing. Trade and investment will not be on equal terms, so now its time for the USA to begin protecting itself.

These two different ideas are often conflated.


5 posted on 05/14/2019 1:12:25 PM PDT by PGR88
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I love how on the one hand Trump is constantly Praising President XI and the Chinese then with the other hand he’s slapping them silly.


11 posted on 05/14/2019 1:20:08 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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Gingrich is right. The Chinese are beinning to yelp loudly. Their economy is absolutely dependent on exports to America. The tariffs are hurting them badly. Yet if they adhere to real free trade and stop overtly stealing intellectual property, their economy will also suffer badly.

The Chinese would like nothing more than to humiliate america especially if it can be done through a proxy such as Iran or North Korea. Look to China to give Iran many more stealthy shore to ship missiles to fortify the Gulf and encourage Kim not to cooperate with Trump in any constructive manner.


13 posted on 05/14/2019 1:23:47 PM PDT by allendale (.)
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The US isn’t the only nation China has unfair trade with. We’re just the biggest by far. Other nations are silently cheering Trump on.


19 posted on 05/14/2019 1:46:32 PM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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Investment Exodus / Shifting Supply Chains – China Walks into Trump’s “Golden Ticket” Trap…

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President Trump is executing one of the most brilliant geopolitical economic resets in the history of global trade. It really is stunningly remarkable how President Trump has controlled the entire landscape. The consequential phase now begins.

It is fascinating how the financial pundits didn’t see this coming. Perhaps one of the best indicators of where things are today comes from this quote within the South China Post:

“The Administration’s Section 301 tariffs and China’s retaliatory tariffs will now further disrupt – or even break – many thousands of supply chains in both countries.”

[Nelson Dong, a senior partner at Dorsey & Whitney]

The quote by Nelson Dong is stated *as if* shifting/breaking supply chains is a flaw in the approach. It’s not. Exactly the opposite is true; this is a feature of the strategic reset.  A specific and purposeful feature designed by President Trump.

What Dong is predicting is the deconstruction of “one-belt, one-road”.

As President Trump highlighted today, over time (and it won’t take long) there will be an exodus of multinational manufacturing away from China.  Corporations will shift their purchase agreements, manufacturing and assembly plans to ASEAN countries outside the investment ‘risk zone’ that is now China.

Notice some of the nuance (specific references) within President Trump’s tweets. Japan, Vietnam (President Trang Dai Quang), South Korea (KORUS), Philippines and India are positioned to pick-up business.

To counteract the predictable exodus the Chinese state-run enterprises (and banks) will offer incentives to retain the corporate manufacturing business. This process means China, in essence, subsidizes the tariffs:

 

China has no choice if they want to retain their economic model. Remember, China’s economy is deep (manufacturing) but also narrow. They are dependent on raw materials, customers and market access. {Go Deep}

Additionally, President Trump announces today he has not made any decision on the next phase of 25% tariffs on the remaining $350 billion in Chinese products.  He doesn’t need to.  Merely the possibility of additional tariffs will pause any further investment; and some companies not currently impacted will make decisions to avoid the possibility of impact.

President Trump has walked Chairman Xi into a trap.  There is only downside for China in the current dynamic.  In an effort to avoid the downside, China will bleed cash to retain their economic position…. However, this can only last so long.

 

President Trump knows the strength of our U.S. position is that our economy is deep and wide.  The U.S. is a self-sustaining economy.  Almost 80% of our internal production and manufacturing is purchased within our own market.

In the big picture – economic strength is an outcome of the ability of a nation, any nation, to support itself first and foremost. If a nations’ economy is dependent on other nations to survive it is less strong than a nation whose economy is more independent.

The reality of China as a dependent economic model; heck, they cannot even feed themselves; puts them at greater risk from the effects of global economic contraction.  However, more importantly it puts China at risk from President Trump’s strategic use of geopolitical economic leverage to weaken their economy.  Trump is exploiting that risk.

As things go forward, China cannot sustain a long-term economic conflict with the U.S.  As each day passes the ASEAN alliance will see their investment grow as companies pull-out of China and invest in S-Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, India etc.  The GDP of our allies (including Mexico) grows, and the controlled GDP of China, as an adversary, shrinks.

(LA Times) GoPro Inc. will move most of its U.S.-bound camera production out of China by summer, becoming one of the first brand-name electronics makers to take such action to minimize the impact of the U.S.-China trade war.

“Today’s geopolitical business environment requires agility,” GoPro Chief Financial Officer Brian McGee said in a statement Monday. “We’re proactively addressing tariff concerns.” The company is still deciding where to put the manufacturing operation. (more)

All of this was entirely predictable.  President Trump and Ambassador Lighthizer told the world what to expect in 2017:

Da Nang, Vietnam – United States Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer today released the following statement in response to President Trump’s speech on trade between the United States and the Indo-Pacific region, at the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) CEO Summit (emphasis mine):

“The President spoke loud and clear: the era of trade compromised by massive state intervention, subsidies, closed markets and mercantilism is ending. Free, fair and reciprocal trade that leads to market outcomes and greater prosperity is on the horizon.

“President Trump understands that too many nations talk about free trade abroad, only to shield their economies behind tariff and non-tariff barriers at home. The United States will no longer allow these actions to continue, and we are willing to use our economic leverage to pursue truly fair and balanced trade.

“I look forward to doing as the President instructed me and to pursue policies that will improve the lives of our workers, farmers and ranchers.” (link)


21 posted on 05/14/2019 1:56:56 PM PDT by Bratch (IF YOU HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT CITIZENS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT LEADERS-George Carlin)
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China’s arrogance was fueled by typical US politician ignorance. Both sides were not operating on a factual basis.


27 posted on 05/14/2019 2:10:51 PM PDT by neverevergiveup
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China has this huge issue: taking care of a large fraction of its population down the road from the cumulative effects of some of the worst air and water pollution problems of recent years. It’s a cost that could bankrupt the country.


37 posted on 05/14/2019 2:52:16 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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@#$& china to hell, the lying, cheating bastards.


44 posted on 05/14/2019 3:06:49 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists...Socialists...Fascists & AntiFa...Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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