Posted on 03/21/2019 10:46:24 AM PDT by rickmichaels
I have mixed feelings about government mandated vaccinations.
On the one hand, I am old enough to remember polio (I had an older cousin that spent time in an iron lung) and I still have a smallpox vaccination scar on my arm. I got to personally experience mumps, measles and chickenpox when I was a kid. Back when I was a kid in the early 1960s, whenever the oldest child in a family started first grade, all of the kids in the family (and any adults that had somehow missed them) would quickly experience the entire range of childhood illnesses, including mumps, measles and chickenpox. By the time I had kids, we signed them up for every vaccination that was available.
On the other hand, we chose to sign up our kids for vaccinations. I understand the herd immunity theory, but if I choose to have my kids vaccinated and you choose not to, then my kids are not at any higher risk. If we are making a concerted effort at global eradication of a virus like we did with smallpox and hopefully will soon do so with polio then I can understand why it might be necessary to require vaccinations.
I got all my vaccines as a child. The sugar cube polio, the smallpox scar, and the other ones. NOt very many.
But now, children are required to have dozens, and some pediatricians will dismiss you from their practices if you don’t get all of them. There are rumors going around the antivax movement that the docs are paid a bonus for a certain percentage of their patients being fully vaccinated. I don’t know if that’s true or not. I’m just telling you what’s out there. The guardisil vaccine is pushed on younger and younger kids (to prevent HPV) and there are documented fatalities associated with that vaccine.
This paper quotes a study saying vaccines don’t cause autism. I personally know a health care professional who took his son in for vaccines and he seized on the way home and went straight to the emergency room and was autistic thereafter.
As parents and grandparents we are responsible for what goes into the bodies of the kids we are caring for. We all know that many times we aren’t told the truth by government officials. The healthcare industry assures us that testing is done, but on who? What were the results? Vaccine makers cannot be sued for damages - is that ever mentioned? The government has a mechanism by which injured patients are compensated. All of this makes us suspicious. If we ask too many questions we are ridiculed.
We talked our youngest daughter into slow-walking her baby’s vaccines and her pediatrician agreed to do that. He’s in daycare part time so ... he has to have them.
One of our children dismisses this whole idea as groundless. Another is in the opposite corner. And then there’s the youngest, with the baby, who will proceed with caution. As we all should.
I am not an anti-vaxxer, per se (I was given a LOT of vaccines in the course of many Army deployments), but I am totally against the flood of cocktail vaccinations that are routinely given to infants. One of my very best friends is an MD with a PhD in biomedical research. He has three children and all three are on the Asperger’s spectrum to some degree, with his youngest being the worst. He states unequivocally that he and his wife adhered to CDC guidelines for all three children, did not believe in a correlation between vaccines and autism/Asperger’s at the time, but cannot deny that his childrens’ development was normal until shortly after their last round of vaccinations.
My neighbor just got that shot because her doctor told her she should. I about bit my tongue off with the restraint it took me not to get on her case about it. I refuse any shots ‘just because I should’.
The whole Gardisil incident in Texas taught me that this entire business is absolutely stinking rife with corruption.
If your state has 38 required vaccines, six are probably there due to legitimate public health arguments, and 32 because somebody took a payoff.
Having been raised in a mobbed-up Democrat town that’s just how I see things.
“All complicit”
You have no right to say that.
Not by any logic I can see. Do you think you would have known any who had these diseases without vaccination?
Unvaccinated people remain a potential pool for infection, and viruses mutate. if there are unvaccinated people around and they get sick there is a small but finite probability that they will develop a mutated strain that is NOT blocked by vaccination, and then everyone gets dropped into the sh!tter. So by remaining a potential host for some nasty diseases you are indeed putting the rest of us at risk.
The problem with the vacs seems to be that they are given to fast and too early. My daughter managed to get them spread out over the first four years for both her boys. She would have avoided them altogether if the only way available was all super early.
so....basically you are saying that you are NOT confident in the ability of these vaccines to deliver immunity.
Apparently neither is the pharma industry. Otherwise they would not have sought (and received) an absolutely unprecedented blanket exemption from civil liability.
Oh yes. You can believe the efficacy and safety of vaxes. After all the companies that tell us this also sold Heroin as a cure for morphine addiction. You can trust Big Pharma! /s
Agreed.
Unless they sought the blanket exemption from civil liability because these vaccines are harmful in other ways.
Sir your factual post is the real central point about the vaccination controversy.
This anti-Vax (you-must-be-anti-science) “conspiracy theorist” smear is deliberately devisive and disgusting.
Numerous pediatricians advise cautious parents to avoid giving their yound children multi-dose vaccination shots, and instead administer single dose vaccines throughout the year.
The current US childhood vaccination sche dule is reckless. Infants are given single shots that contain five vaccine doses, none of which have gone through extensive interaction safety tests as mandated by Congress.
By the time a child reaches the age of six, they have been injected with 48 doses of vaccines, which is a far cry from the pre-1980 childhood vaccine schedule of
12.
DJT stated similarly in 2016.
RE: CDC Infant Vaccine Schedule
The CDC suggests 12 vaccinations for infants up to 4 months old, or 3 per month for the first 4 months of life. The average 4 month old infant is 15 pounds, 24 inches.
They are not at higher risk only if they have responded to the vaccine. If they haven't then they are at risk, too.
Two examples:
1) I have had the complete series of Hep B vaccinations. I did not respond with antibodies. I am as much at risk for the disease as anyone who was never vaccinated.
2)A friend's child was vaccinated against measles but came down with measles. Although he had been vaccinated his immune system did not respond.
This is why herd immunity is an important part of community vaccinations. Herd immunity decreases the opportunity for the spread of the disease from one non-immune person to another.
However.....I think there are only a small number of truly important vaccinations. The number of vaccinations and rapid schedule they are given to infants today now is completely insane.
“Unvaccinated people remain a potential pool for infection, and viruses mutate. if there are unvaccinated people around and they get sick there is a small but finite probability that they will develop a mutated strain that is NOT blocked by vaccination, and then everyone gets dropped into the sh!tter”
Life is risk.
How George Washington Used Vaccines to Help Win the Revolutionary War
https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2016/09/how_vaccination_helped_win_the_revolutionary_war.html
“.....AN OFT-FORGOTTEN fact: during the Revolutionary War, American forces invaded Canada. Their aims were to drive British troops from Quebec and even convince Quebec’s citizens to bring their province into the American colonies. The effort, however, met with miserable disaster, which is perhaps why it doesn’t cling to public remembrance. The chief reason for the defeat? Smallpox.
“Approximately ten thousand American troops marched on Canada in fall of 1775, and at one point, nearly three thousand of them were sick. Brutally handicapped, the invasion never stood a chance. Officers fell victim, too. Major General John Thomas died of smallpox during the retreat the following spring.
“By spring [of 1776] the condition of the American soldiers in Canada had deteriorated severely due to continuous outbreaks of smallpox... Approximately half of the soldiers were ill. The majority of the new recruits were not immune to the disease, and reinforcements sent to Canada sickened quickly.” Becker recounted. “Contemporary evidence is overwhelming: smallpox destroyed the Northern Army and all hope of persuading the Canadians to join the Revolution.”
“Our misfortunes in Canada are enough to melt a heart of stone,” John Adams wrote in June 1776. “The small-pox is ten times more terrible than Britons, Canadians, and Indians together.”
FULLY AWARE of the disaster in the north, George Washington realized that merely evading smallpox would no longer suffice; he wanted to prevent it altogether. Inoculation was already available, although the procedure — called variolation — was not without risks. The vaccines we’re accustomed to today were not invented yet, so doctors would simply make a small incision in the patient’s arm then introduce pus from the pustules of an infected victim into the wound. Variolation often resulted in a minor smallpox infection with a speedier recovery and vastly lower fatality rates, around two percent. Survivors were granted lifelong immunity.
At first, Washington simply required new recruits to be inoculated. Then, in February 1777, he bit the bullet entirely.
“Finding the smallpox to be spreading much and fearing that no precaution can prevent it from running thro’ the whole of our Army, I have determined that the Troops shall be inoculated. This Expedient may be attended with some inconveniences and some disadvantages, but yet I trust, in its consequences will have the most happy effects.”
This was a bold move. At the time, variolation was technically outlawed by the Continental Congress, so Washington was openly flouting the law. Whole divisions were inoculated and quarantined en masse, a process that would continue for months. Strict secrecy was maintained to prevent the British from uncovering the program, lest they launch an attack upon the recovering troops. By year’s end, 40,000 soldiers were immunized.
The results were stunning. The smallpox infection rate in the Continental Army rapidly fell from 17 percent to one percent, prompting the Continental Congress to legalize variolation across the states.
With the threat of smallpox vanquished, George Washington and the Continental Army were able to entirely focus on the real enemy: the British. As Becker summed up:
“Due in large part to [Washington’s] perseverance and dedication to controlling smallpox, the Continental Army was able to survive and develop into an effective and reliable fighting force, unhampered by recurring epidemics of that disease.”
Corruption in the medical industry is far worse than parents trying to protect their children from harm.
Here here!
RE: “The number of vaccinations and rapid schedule they are given to infants today now is completely insane.”
Why do I sense the founding fathers were far more trustworthy than the CDC?
Or any current government agency?
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