Posted on 05/04/2018 2:27:16 PM PDT by BBell
Shush! You will spoil the scam....
THere’s some confusion here between electric and hydrogen-powered. Nikola abandoned electric trucks in favor of hydropgen-powered; they are NOT renewable-energy-based trucks.
HOWEVER, hydrogen can be generated using wind and solar. This is significant because one of the drawbacks of wind and solar is that you can’t control when they are generated, so you end up with high amounts of waste. The creation of hydrogen can use this otherwise wasted energy production.
I can’t believe that i have never heard of that movie.
I’m watching a few clips on youtube i might have to check out the whole flick..
the bus itself looks like a pretty cool movie prop.
It was a pretty silly Movie.
I actually watched them film the part where it leaves the Bus Station at the beginning of the Movie when I was working in Downtown Los Angeles.
The Bus was massive and comical looking in person.
Just to add a bit of detail re. the coal gasification. Gasification of coal, wood, municipal solid waste or like hydrocarbon sources yields a complex mixture commonly called syngas. Hydrogen is a component but the largest components are various carbon compounds, especially carbon monoxide. Hydrogen would need to be separated from the syngas. Separating the hydrogen from the syngas simply reduces the BTU value of the syngas making its BTU/pound energy value even less favorable in competition with fossil fuel fuels. I am not sufficiently familiar with the overall economics of this since the decreased fuel value of the syngas w/o hydrogen would be offset by the value of the hydrogen.
Raw syngas is a messy witch's brew of compounds. Lots of very expensive R&D, pilot and semi-commercial plants have come and gone using various methods to crack the raw syngas mess to simpler molecules to improve the gas yield and increase the carbon monoxide and hydrogen that are the best fuel components to fuel conventional energy generation using industrial scale equipment. You also have to scrub the gas to remove sulfur compounds that are corrosive and will yield sulfuric acid in the exhaust from the energy generation equipment.
The implication that is glossed over, is that a gas turbine can be set up to run on pretty much ANYTHING...LP, LNG, diesel, jet fuel, alcohol, etc.
Don’t need electricity to make Hydrogen - mix up some lye and water and drop in some Aluminum - generates a lot of heat though and electricity is probably cheaper....
Ahhh you can leave the mop-up work to us drones...lol
How is using more energy than is necessary “good for the environment”?
As Limbaugh has said in the past regarding electric cars, they’re coal and nuclear powered referring to where the energy comes from for charging. And never mind the torturous route the manufacture of the batteries takes.
Production of H2 is much the same. Using “enviro-friendly” energy to make H2 just increases costs for everybody so a couple of people can be conned into “feeling good” about the environment, and feel morally superior to those that out of common sense and/or need, are economically rational.
Hence my comments about using excess solar/hydro to produce H2 (as a competing fuel).
Oops, hydro’s bad for Mother Nature. So’s the production of solar panels. And wind turbines kill birds, obstruct scenic vistas, and so on.
And let’s not forget about the absurdity of using corn for fuel instead of food and feed.
Interesting, turbines can create a lot of power per pound, not sure how efficient it would be. But if they are combusting the fuel, it makes no sense not using NG or LP, it is easier to cram either into a bottle and since H2 is made from NG, carbon is a non-issue.
Takes a ton of electricity to refine aluminum.
“Hydrogen dissipates too fast, when a tank is punctured, for their to be a risk of explosion”
Didn’t know either of those things.
My final opinion of the whole thing is that hydrogen needs to compete in a free market with other fuels. Maybe it has a niche like solar panels now have.
Someone else said we use too much energy. I agree. That is, we’d be fine in an economy that used less energy.
Aluminum isn’t that cheap to extract, and is the fuel used in thermite. However you look at it, you can’t separate hydrogen from water without at least as much energy as hydrogen produces.
Thanks - I used to use aluminum foil - when I was posting, I hadn’t thought of the cost of refining the aluminum...
You’re the second one to add info i hadn’t considered - thanks.
This is an old topic from the FRchives, but this vid is about an hour old:
Tesla JUST Destroyed Nikola in $2 BILLION Dollar Lawsuit
7,992 views
Sep 27, 2020
Meet Kevin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FKTgmWU4vc
Tesla should own Nikola.
Them their trucks would actually work....................
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