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No, social-media censorship isn't free speech. It's the end of free speech.
Dangus

Posted on 04/07/2018 6:27:26 AM PDT by dangus

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To: polymuser

Hell, look at how long and disgustingly the libs have whined about Fox News. And they’ve gotten exactly the sympathy here that they deserved. ;-)


21 posted on 04/07/2018 7:52:18 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegals, abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF.)
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To: PIF

That’s a lot of text with which to completely misconstrue a very short, straightforward statement from me.

Again, it is censorship.

But 1A (AKA the Constitution) does not apply.


22 posted on 04/07/2018 8:05:46 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: dangus

I agree in general.

YouTube is a publicly traded company. Publicly traded companies should determine major policy issues by shareholder vote. The CEO and board members have a fiduciary responsibility to insure that the profitability of the company is put ahead of their own political agendas.

For companies that have a stranglehold on a particular market, they either need to be more regulated or broken up. Right now Google owns the biggest search engine, biggest video sharing site, the largest email service, the most used Internet browser, and half of the smart-phone operating system market. And it has many other major operations that do not fall into these categories.

Google is the personification of political hegemony. Just like the uniparty, options are only an illusion.


23 posted on 04/07/2018 8:09:07 AM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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To: dangus

I agree in general.

YouTube is a publicly traded company. Publicly traded companies should determine major policy issues by shareholder vote. The CEO and board members have a fiduciary responsibility to insure that the profitability of the company is put ahead of their own political agendas.

For companies that have a stranglehold on a particular market, they either need to be more regulated or broken up. Right now Google owns the biggest search engine, biggest video sharing site, the largest email service, the most used Internet browser, and half of the smart-phone operating system market. And it has many other major operations that do not fall into these categories.

Google is the personification of political hegemony. Just like the uniparty, options are only an illusion.


24 posted on 04/07/2018 8:09:08 AM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Sure it’s censorship. So is a Christian bakery refusing to make a Sodomite wedding cake.


25 posted on 04/07/2018 8:11:45 AM PDT by polymuser (Its terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterton)
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To: dangus
The obvious solution is to not engage in social media at all. Any of it.

Problem solved. I have all the free speech I want standing on the outside looking in.

26 posted on 04/07/2018 8:12:19 AM PDT by HotHunt
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To: dangus

Facebooks belongs to Facebook just like your yard belongs to you.
Anything that message or post there belongs to Facebook.
If you are not paying for the product, then you ARE the product.


27 posted on 04/07/2018 8:45:33 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: unlearner

What happens when the company changes their rules mid stream to annex their own contracts for purges? Is that not a court fight or am I missing this?


28 posted on 04/07/2018 9:00:14 AM PDT by Karliner (Jeremiah29:11,Romans8:28 Isa 17, Damascus has fallen)
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To: Karliner

“What happens when the company changes their rules mid stream to annex their own contracts for purges? Is that not a court fight or am I missing this?”

Big, multi-national corporations function above the law. In the case of YouTube, like pretty much every giant online platform, they have terms of service (the kind no one reads) that they can change at will and the only recourse any user has is to leave.

Currently this is completely legal, and merely a PR issue.

Of course anyone can sue anyone for any thing. In the case of Google, they have a deep war chest. So it does not always matter if you have a case with merits. The bigger issue is if you can win against their ability to bring overwhelming force to bear.

Their biggest vulnerability is the possibility of damaging their reputation.

Their next biggest is the threat of regulation. Quite frankly, companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Salesforce, and lot of other big, multinational software and media companies need to be regulated or broken up. We are not playing on a level playing field.

Even multi-million dollar companies can not leverage the perpetual patent protections like Microsoft. Nor can they devise tax strategies to avoid paying any income tax like Apple. They can not get special sweetheart deals on Postal delivery like Amazon.


29 posted on 04/07/2018 10:28:43 AM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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To: Karliner

“What happens when the company changes their rules mid stream to annex their own contracts for purges? Is that not a court fight or am I missing this?”

Big, multi-national corporations function above the law. In the case of YouTube, like pretty much every giant online platform, they have terms of service (the kind no one reads) that they can change at will and the only recourse any user has is to leave.

Currently this is completely legal, and merely a PR issue.

Of course anyone can sue anyone for any thing. In the case of Google, they have a deep war chest. So it does not always matter if you have a case with merits. The bigger issue is if you can win against their ability to bring overwhelming force to bear.

Their biggest vulnerability is the possibility of damaging their reputation.

Their next biggest is the threat of regulation. Quite frankly, companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Salesforce, and lot of other big, multinational software and media companies need to be regulated or broken up. We are not playing on a level playing field.

Even multi-million dollar companies can not leverage the perpetual patent protections like Microsoft. Nor can they devise tax strategies to avoid paying any income tax like Apple. They can not get special sweetheart deals on Postal delivery like Amazon.


30 posted on 04/07/2018 10:28:44 AM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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To: dangus

No person worth anything gets their news from fakebook

Only FREEREPUBLIC ! Thank you JimRob !


31 posted on 04/07/2018 11:29:39 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: dangus

Why do conservatives use Facebook?

Why isn’t there a conservative with a better site?


32 posted on 04/07/2018 11:37:04 AM PDT by donna (If you're explaining, you're losing. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: unlearner

Sad truth thanks. Don’t know much at all about the law and fighting this issue. I went up against the power of the state and won but in the end I’m losing. As you wrote, people will just have to leave and make their own platform. The one good thing about capitalism is if enough people don’t like what is sold the company or the product will die. I’ve a feeling with google, FB, YTube and other platforms/search engines/social media this might be the end of their soaring heights sort of like oh say Netscape, and My Space. I don’t know about Microsoft or Apple. But Enron died and IBM and AT&T are no longer the giants they once were.


33 posted on 04/07/2018 12:28:56 PM PDT by Karliner (Jeremiah29:11,Romans8:28 Isa 17, Damascus has fallen)
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To: HotHunt

I hope you enjoy the gulag.


34 posted on 04/07/2018 3:20:36 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Little Ray

If you’re not going to even read the article, shut up and go away.


35 posted on 04/07/2018 3:22:02 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

And selective enforcement of terms of service is consumer fraud.


36 posted on 04/07/2018 6:35:55 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: polymuser

The baker is honest about it, Facebook is not. They profess to have impartial terms of service.


37 posted on 04/07/2018 6:38:19 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: dangus
Is that a dish or a drink?

What the hale are you talking about?

38 posted on 04/07/2018 7:12:58 PM PDT by HotHunt
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To: PIF

No, but it is a CONTRACTUAL endorsement, and FB, GOOG, TWIT, et.al. have conducted fraudulent inducement to imply that users can post within a certain framework of unfettered idea expression and then subsequently deny or inhibit their opinions, PARTICULARLY in light of their mining of the participating parties data for their subsequent monetization.


39 posted on 04/07/2018 10:20:31 PM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith

Other than the data mining, the same is true on FR.


40 posted on 04/08/2018 1:29:15 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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