Milwaukee woman mauled to death by at least one of her pet dogs

journal sentinel ^ | March 26, 2018 | Jesse Garza

[gundog]

I know the culture. Because there is a market for pit puppies, there is breeding. And the pups are sold at 5 weeks- before they’re socialized. I don’t know if you have any experience with i socialized dogs...it’s not like they have signs around their necks...but they are discipline nightmares, with no sense of empathy, or what passes for empathy in dogs. The seventh week of their lives is critical to their development, and it needs to be spent with the mother and littermates.

[Fiji Hill]

goldens also make great watchdogs, if someone broke in they would not let them leave until they played ball-retrieve for at least a half hour...

LOL

[Windflier]

The issue that I see is the extreme reaction, on Freerepublic, to ban, kill or cull pitbulls every time there is a tragedy.

The tenor of discussion here, regarding the pit bull breed, is pretty mild, considering the menace they pose to the public.

The breed is simply wired differently than other canines, and dog bite stats prove it. Ignoring the danger is tantamount to how liberals react to dangerous Muslims.

[CommerceComet]

If triggered in some way, it's a crap shoot, as to which of those three will control a dog's reaction to that stimulus. My gun only reacts if I fire it.

A fully loaded gun can sit in my house forever and not harm a soul until the trigger is pulled. A pit bull is like that except that the pit bull can pull its own trigger for reasons known only to the pit bull.

The aggressive genes in the pit bull are still present, no matter how gentle the dog might appear, awaiting the right stimulus to respond. The legitimate breeders are trying to work those traits out of the breed but it will take generations for that to be reliably done. The task is made so much harder when the illegitimate breeders who breed the dogs for illegal dog-fighting and personal protection dogs for street thugs are trying to keep that trait alive in the breed.

[wardaddy]

Yes yousorta missed my point and replied with exaggerated hypothetical retort

Freepers like group think and to control the narrative

Whether criticizing BUSH fifteen years ago or Trump now for Ominibus

Or pit bill threads

Acrimony threads here over the years

Terry Schiavo probably was the worst ever

Bush amnesty second

Giuliani potus run third

Trump campaign fourth

Pit bulls now occupy that same space evolution threads used to

Pit bull haters are as intolerant of pit bull fans as Creationists were of evolutionists

And no I can definitely love things I can’t control

My wife

My kids

My mom RIP

On pit bulls...I have a lot of experience with them

I don’t find them super bright...and I do find them dog aggressive and they appear to be everywhere or at lest pit looking dogs are fairly ubiquitous nowadays
They were America’s dog once like Little Rascals

I own two 17 month old 120 pound male Rottweilers now which are nominally my wife’s dogs even though they submit to me...they adore her

Rotts are in my experience more human aggressive than pits...and I’ve owned them and similar breeds

I prefer German guard dogs or in the case of my Rotts Serbian

More Pits than Rotts by a long shot

I wouldn’t have any potentially aggressive breed unsupervised around children and I don’t

[Windflier]

The aggressive genes in the pit bull are still present, no matter how gentle the dog might appear, awaiting the right stimulus to respond.

To be fair, that can be said of all domestic canine breeds, but long experience and observation show that there are varying degrees of instinctive aggression across different breeds. The pit bull terrier simply has more 'wild' in it than other breeds.

I've been told that some conscientious breeders are working to breed the 'wild' out of them. That's encouraging news.

[Norski]

Thank you for expanding and clarifying. I appreciate it.

And I remember about 2005 the fierce battle going on over when - and whether, hoo boy -the real estate price bubble would ever pop.

The problem appears to have several components and is usually heated up considerably by those who “have a dog in the fight”, i.e. stand to benefit from a certain position, but are unwilling to admit this fact.

And those who fear the result of the consensus, or stand to lose face or face loss as a result of same.

I see, that, as in religion, the shakier one’s theological ground, the louder they yell. I see evolution as a religion; no wonder the screaming is so loud. I place love of dangerous dogs over that of human beings in the same category.

As proof, I offer the blog:
https://thefirstchurchofpitbullscd.blogspot.com/2017/03/depraved-indifference.html

It’s inactive at this point, but aptly named.

[CommerceComet]

The pit bull terrier simply has more 'wild' in it than other breeds.

Apparently, much more.

There are other breeds out their with the same tendency towards "wildness" such as the Tibetan mastiff, bully kutta, ovcharka, etc. but for every dog of those breeds you see, you'll see 500-1,000 pit bulls.

I've been told that some conscientious breeders are working to breed the 'wild' out of them. That's encouraging news.

I guess that's good but until that conscientious breeding has had an effect, the mauling incidents will continue with pit bulls.

[Norski]

I wonder if this article would be of interest to you.

Due to the research that exists, I have become convinced that what is being called ‘wild’ is a characteristic that is anything but; it is carefully bred into dogs intended to make money by fighting.

The pit bull’s absence of “signaling” an attack means that this dog has been successfully bred to lie about intent.

http://sruv-pitbulls.blogspot.com/2013/04/natural-history-of-fighting-breeds.html

[Norski]

Am cc ing post 129 to you as well. Norski

[CommerceComet]

The pit bull’s absence of “signaling” an attack means that this dog has been successfully bred to lie about intent.

That would seem to give a pit bull a competitive advantage if it basically "sucker-punches" as unsuspecting opponent. I didn't know if the signals are invisible to other dogs or just non-canines.

[Norski]

It is very much a competitive advantage - this is why, along with “dead-gameness”, it is selected in breeding fighting dogs. The lack of all other breeds’ common signaling for (or to avoid) attack, i.e., barking, growling, tail-down, stiffness, etc., means that the dog can and will attack with no warning given.

Indeed, there are many reports (and videos, just input “pit bull attack” on youtube) of pit bulls wagging their tails while dismembering their victims.

“Dogmen”, dogfighters, in order to get the ideal animal for fighting, breed for gameness and dead-gameness(fight to the death), the highest possible prey drive, lack of signalling, and imperviousness to pain, and then for compactness, extreme strength, agility, quickness, and jaw strength.

There is some evidence that brain chemical pathways of these dogs’ brains now produce extreme dopamine (pleasure chemicals) while attacking. This means that the created fighting dog once triggered (”gone game”) has now experienced extreme pleasure in the attack mode, and can never be trusted NOT to attack again. Quite the opposite.

[daniel1212]

goldens also make great watchdogs, if someone broke in they would not let them leave until they played ball-retrieve for at least a half hour...

Now that's funny!