[Texas Fossil]

A friend of mine in Syria told me that Putin would chose his own time to even the score of Erdogan’s military shooting down Russia's jet near the Syrian border. This article makes the downing of the Russian jet more understandable.

Then there is the jet that was shot down in Deir Ezzor area with a shoulder launched missile. Russians said early on that it was made in the USA. I think they concluded that it was shipped to that area by Turkey and was in hands of one of Turkey's Jihadi groups. I never heard if the person who actually used it was ever identified. I'm sure something that expensive would be heavily tracked.

Putin was an accountant for the KGB. He is methodical. Obviously he learned other traits there too.

I agree, this will not end well for Erdogan or Turkey.

[SunkenCiv]

The Deir Ezzor event involved a helicopter; any US weapons used could have come from almost anywhere.

[Cronos]

Erdogan culls his military

Erdogan then over-extends agaisnt Kurds

Erdogan gets himself kicked out of NATO, so no NATO support against an attack by outsiders

Russia gets the Dardanelles.....