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In California's rural, conservative north, there are big dreams for cleaving the state
L A Times ^ | Mar 17, 2018 | 5:00 AM | | By Hailey Branson-Potts Anderson, Calif.

Posted on 03/17/2018 7:16:50 AM PDT by BenLurkin

The breakaway state of Jefferson is a decades-old idea, but it has been revived in earnest in recent years by residents who say they are fed up with their voices being drowned out in Sacramento, where outspoken urban Democrats hold a vise grip on the state Legislature.

Supporters say overregulation has hobbled rural industries such as timber, mining and fishing and that the state’s high taxes and cost of living are driving young people away, quickening the decline of small towns. They chafe under California’s strict gun-control policies and are infuriated by its liberal immigration laws.

They cite California’s new gas tax increase of 12 cents per gallon, saying it has an outsize impact on rural people who drive farther for work and basic needs such as hospitals, schools and grocery stores.

How likely is it that a new state will be broken off, like a piece of Kit Kat bar, from California? Not likely at all, experts say.

Eric McGhee, a political scientist at the Public Policy Institute of California, said that while you can “never say never,” there are too many legal obstacles to overcome.

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Supporters of a breakaway state say they are sorely underestimated and point to the number of passionate people who show up to their events.

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There has been plenty of talk recently about cleaving California. There was the failed 2014 effort to split the state into six states. There’s a plan to form New California, which includes everything but a sliver of wealthy, urban coastal counties. And there’s Calexit, the movement for the state to secede from the Union entirely, an idea that gained steam after Trump’s election.

Jefferson, which has included some Oregon counties in various iterations, precedes them.

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The overall tone of this L A Times article is predictably hostile.
1 posted on 03/17/2018 7:16:50 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

The Peoples Communist Republic of California. I know, I live here


2 posted on 03/17/2018 7:19:06 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: realcleanguy

51 states won’t work. Cut it off and call it Nevada.


3 posted on 03/17/2018 7:20:39 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: BenLurkin

Liberals can secede but conservatives can’t.

Got it.


4 posted on 03/17/2018 7:22:42 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Fore)
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To: BenLurkin

Downstate Illinois would like to borrow the axe when they’re finished with it.


5 posted on 03/17/2018 7:28:33 AM PDT by bigbob (Trust Trump. Trust Sessions. The Great Awakening is at hand...MAGA!)
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RE: big dreams for cleaving the state

OK, How’s this going to work, practically?

There has been a movement for Long Island to secede from New York State for some time, see here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Island_(proposed_state)

Nothing ever comes out of it.


6 posted on 03/17/2018 7:31:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Pipe dream and it would probably backfire. They would cut the state in such a way we would end up with 2 blue states and 2 new Rat Senators and a Rat Governor.


7 posted on 03/17/2018 7:37:19 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: BenLurkin

Anybody with half a mind should be hostile to this BS. The chance of breaking up California or any state is less than zero. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN and every second or penny spent on it is complete pathetic waste of time. Spend time fixing the state as no one will ever buy off on splitting it up.


8 posted on 03/17/2018 7:38:12 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Americans Are Dreamers, Too! No to Amnesty, Yes to Catch-and-Deport, and Yes to E-Verify.)
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To: Reno89519

Amen!


9 posted on 03/17/2018 7:41:08 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: BenLurkin

If this ever happened, and it’s a safe bet that it won’t, conservatives in other parts of the state (and they’re there) would be more outnumbered by the liberals than ever.


10 posted on 03/17/2018 7:58:00 AM PDT by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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I favor the New California proposal.

This can happen.

History is full of political change and realignments. It all depends on the circumstances.


11 posted on 03/17/2018 8:01:32 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Why Jefferson? Why not Reagan?


12 posted on 03/17/2018 8:01:57 AM PDT by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: BenLurkin

Create Jefferson, I bet it’ll have a better economy than California in 2 years...


13 posted on 03/17/2018 8:06:50 AM PDT by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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Why Jefferson? Why not Reagan?

The State of Jefferson movement goes back to before World War 2.

14 posted on 03/17/2018 8:07:10 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: gibsonguy

. They would cut the state in such a way we would end up with 2 blue states and 2 new Rat Senators and a Rat Governor

Your conjecture is not based on facts. There have been several studies that show it would produce a right of center state. There would be no point in spilting if it was not going to produce the intended result.


15 posted on 03/17/2018 8:08:00 AM PDT by Steven Scharf
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To: BenLurkin

I like that gerrymandering better.


16 posted on 03/17/2018 8:08:40 AM PDT by luvbach1 (I hope Trump runs roughshod over the inevitable obstuctionists, Dems, progs, libs, or RINOs!)
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To: Slyfox

Works for me, but in 1941 Ronaldus Magnus was still under contract to Warner Brothers.


17 posted on 03/17/2018 8:09:41 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Reno89519

It is not your time or money so why do you care?


18 posted on 03/17/2018 8:09:57 AM PDT by Steven Scharf
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To: BenLurkin

The way it’s been looking lately, the batshit crazy california government wants to make california into mexico’s 32nd state.

It’s hard to say how this will pan out. The socialist-democrats have a stranglehold on the state government, and are making laws that put the illegals above the citizens of the US.


19 posted on 03/17/2018 8:13:06 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it. MAGA!)
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To: bigbob

Upstate NY would settle for the universe’so largest recip saw.


20 posted on 03/17/2018 8:17:38 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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